Showing posts with label free speech. Show all posts
Showing posts with label free speech. Show all posts

December 13, 2011

BNP’s Nick Griffin set to address UCC society on free speech

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Some fat bastard simpers at the cameras
British National Party leader and MEP Nick Griffin is expected to attend a UCC debate in the New Year, just months after a Trinity College student society withdrew its invitation for the controversial politician to visit.

The UCC Government and Politics Society says Griffin has accepted its invitation to speak in a debate on the importance of free speech in modern society. The society’s chairperson Ben English told TheJournal.ie that its invitation to Griffin “is by no means a defence of what he has to say, rather it is a defence of his right to say it”.

English said Griffin will face an as-yet-unnamed second speaker in a chaired debate on free speech before taking questions from the floor.

The society decided to invite him after his invitation to address a student group at Trinity College was withdrawn recently. English said that the student group wanted to stand up in support of free speech, adding that free speech is not objective: “We can’t decide who gets freedom of speech.”

In these kinds of situations, and in Trinity’s case, college groups should not cave to outside pressures, English said.

“You need to make tough decisions and bring in people who are going to cause a bit of controversy; in the long-run it’s an event that needs to be held. People need to see something new. Our society is trying to move away from the discourse and get people talking,” he said. “The society’s main goal is to encourage students who are generally politically apathetic to engage in debate.”

English said the society has met with college staff to notify them of the event and to put “strict plans in place” to ensure the safety of staff, students and Griffin. The college has indicated it will facilitate the event, he added.

The BNP confirmed to TheJournal.ie today that Griffin is interested in participating in the debate and has accepted the invitation. A spokesperson for the party said the MEP would answer any questions put to him by the debate participants or audience.

Opposition

The UCC Labour Society says it plans to campaign against Griffin’s visit to the college. Chair of the society Dean Duke told TheJournal.ie that the Labour Soc last night agreed to boycott a joint trip planned between it and the UCC Government and Politics Soc to Leinster House. Duke said his group does not accept that Griffin’s invitation to speak is really a free speech issue and that his “intolerant views” should not be accommodated:

Nick Griffin is free to say what he likes (within the confines of the law), but that doesn’t mean that a UCC society should be hosting him. There’s a difference between allowing free speech and giving someone a platform and an audience.

Withdrawn

The BNP leader was due to participate in a debate on immigration at Trinity’s Philosophical Society in October, but the society withdrew its invitation after the college said it could not guarantee the safety of the event’s attendees. The society said that while it supports Griffin’s right to speak on the issue of immigration, it felt it had “no other responsible choice” but to cancel the debate over safety concerns.

Griffin accused people protesting his Trinity appearance of using “fascist methods” to disrupt the event. He also said he complained to gardaí about the protests which disrupted a separate society event and led to the cancellation of the one he was to attend.

A date for the UCC events has not been confirmed, but it is expected to take place in late February 2012.

TheJournal.ie

Thanks to Zaahid for the heads-up

October 22, 2011

BNP row: Village hall warned over Nick Griffin speech

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A Sussex council has threatened to cancel a village hall's rate subsidy if it hosts a speech by British National Party (BNP) leader Nick Griffin.

Mr Griffin is due to speak at a meeting at Baldslow Memorial Hall in St Leonards on Sunday. Hastings Borough Council said it was "contrary to the interests of the community" and councillors voted to withdraw the hall's rate relief. The BNP has accused the authority of blocking free speech.

Leader of the labour run council, Jeremy Birch, said: "I can't agree that Hastings people should be subsidising a charity that's prepared to provide a platform to someone who is so completely opposed to the community harmony philosophy of this local authority."

The authority has written to the people who run the hall in St Leonards telling them they will have to pay back £376 they received as a charity in rate relief if Mr Griffin's speech goes ahead. It has also written to the charity commission to check whether their guidelines allow the hall to host the meeting.

The people who run Baldslow Memorial Hall have declined to comment on the issue.

Carlos Cortiglia, of the BNP, said the council's actions were an attack on democracy. He added: "It's a natural right that we all have, whatever our ideas we all have to be heard and for other people to hear what we think. If they agree they will support us if they don't agree they will not support us."

Free speech campaigner Padraig Reidy also criticised Hastings Borough Council. He said: "This move is very clearly politically motivated and while the BNP is an organisation that has very few supporters in this country they do still have the right to free expression and the council should not be interfering with that right."

BBC

September 01, 2010

Idiot Green Arrow reveals his identity

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Paul Morris aka Green Arrow
Speaking at the pitifully attended "Indigenous Weekend" Paul Morris aka Green Arrow finally came out of the fascist closet and revealed himself (That isn't a nice thought is it)

Speeches taken from the fiasco have been uploaded to Youtube, including one by Morris.

We won't be providing the link on here, but if you go to Youtube and search for "Welsh fascist" I'm sure you will find what you are looking for.

Don't have nightmares.

March 16, 2010

'English Defence League' stifle free speech they claim to protect?

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The EDL is an 'anti-Islamification' group which was formed in UK in 2009.

Regular contributors to the EDL forum have recently been BANNED for requesting action against an EDL member filmed by News of the World undercover journalists using the word "paki". Ordinarily, all EDL news (good or bad) is posted on the forum by members for open discussion. Not this time it seems.

The EDL leadership have objected not just open discussion of the video, but any discussion whatsoever. All attempts to discuss the video have been buried by Admins, anyone insisting on discussing it has been banned from the forum. Even the EDL's published 'response' to the News of the World article was cleverly absent of any mention of the video, or even a link for people to judge for themselves if the EDL member in the video was out of order.

So what has happened to free speech at the EDL? What happened to freedom of opinion on their forum? This recent attitude is somewhat ironic, from a group who staged a demo in London recently to welcome a free speech advocate, the Dutch Politician Geert Wilders.

A regular user of the forum who was banned for standing up to dictatorial admins was 'KnightofStGeorge'. He said:
'I was in the forum every day, it was a regular part of my daily routine. I lived the EDL, the group still does mean a lot to me, but there is something wrong with the leadership. I am not a racist and never have been. I am just concered about the UK being overtaken by Sharia law and being subject to islamification. I wanted the video to be discussed as something for us to be ashamed of and learn from it.

I wanted it to be an EDL training video of how NOT to conduct act [sic]. Instead I was banned. I want an apology and I want my account re-instated'
Has the glorious EDL been infiltrated by the BNP? One wonders!

Before it's news

December 05, 2009

‘Neo-Nazi’ Blogger’s Fate In Hands of Brooklyn Jury

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A New Jersey blogger crossed the line protecting free speech by writing that three federal judges in Chicago “must die” for a decision supporting gun control, a prosecutor said Friday in Brooklyn federal court, as the defense countered in closing arguments that giving a passionate opinion is not a crime.

“There is no right to threaten violence against people,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney William Ridgway. The judges, he added, “received that threat just by virtue of doing their jobs.”

Hal Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., was charged earlier this year with threatening to assault or kill a federal judge. Defense attorney Nishay Sanan sought to portray him as a “shock jock” and fierce gun control opponent whose tirades were protected by the First Amendment.

“Giving your opinion is not a crime,” he said in his closing argument. “To do it passionately is not a crime.”

The lawyer also cited evidence that his client once was a paid FBI informant in investigations of neo-Nazis and white supremacist groups.

“What does he get from his country? Betrayal,” he said.

The arguments came after only one day of testimony U.S. DistrictCourt for the Eastern District of New York, located adjacent to Cadman Plaza in Downtown Brooklyn, where the trial was moved based on a change-of-venue request. Prosecutors called three federal agents to describe Turner’s fiery web site entries; his attorneys opted not to call any witnesses.

The jury began deliberating Friday afternoon.

Turner’s troubles began in June after the three judges with the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals — Richard Posner, Frank Easterbrook and William Bauer — upheld a district court ruling dismissing lawsuits challenging handgun bans in Chicago and Oak Park. The same day, Turner blasted the decision with a lengthy Internet posting. In one passage, he quoted Thomas Jefferson as saying, “The tree of liberty must be replenished from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots,” court papers said.

Authorities say he then went too far by writing: “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges must die. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty.”

Turner later posted the judges’ photographs, telephone numbers and work addresses, along with maps of a federal building that pointed out truck bomb barriers, they say. He also referenced the 2005 slaying of the mother and husband of another federal judge in Chicago, they say.

“Apparently, the 7th U.S. Circuit didn’t get the hint after those killings,” authorities say he wrote. “It appears another lesson is needed.”

In a separate case, Turner, who prosecutors have portrayed as a radical white-supremacist, was charged with “inciting injury to persons” for urging blog readers to “take up arms” against Connecticut lawmakers who proposed legislation to give Roman Catholic lay members more control over parish finances. If convicted of threatening the Illinois judges, Turner would face up to 10 years in prison.

Brooklyn Daily Eagle

November 29, 2007

Comment: No Platform works!

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One of the most successful weapons devised to combat the growth of Fascism in the United Kingdom is the long standing No Platform policy. It is a policy that thirty years ago seriously hobbled the then ascendant National Front, and which continues to invoke cries of pain and outrage from the British National Party.

No Platform is based on the principle that some views are so extreme, so abhorrent, so divisive, so much based on hate and bigotry, that no platform should be provided for the espousal of them.

No Platform worked.

It ensured that odious organisations such as the BNP could never claim legitimacy or parity for their bigoted beliefs and were never provided with an audience in which to disseminate them. Their failure to obtain television air time or to have their policies reported uncritically in the wider media has caused them an inestimable degree of harm and is a major (perhaps the major) factor in ensuring that organisationally their progress and growth has been at best snail’s pace, and that electorally they are largely moribund.

The No Platform stance of the media unions means that we do not wake up to find a Griffin or a Darby on the breakfast TV sofas, smarming and spinning at full bore for having been invited to comment upon the latest breaking immigration story and matters arising. It keeps them off the Question Time panel and out of the news studios.

No Platform also ensured that the bacillus of fascism and its related -isms were never allowed to infect our places of learning, namely the universities - prime targets for organisations suffering from a cruel intellectual deficit, and thus necessarily overburdened at all levels by charmless low-calibre human material which thinks in simple slogans and believes the bigoted tirade to have a moral and political equivalence with the policies of the mainstream parties.

We anti-fascists daily come upon the illiterate scratchings with which BNP members disfigure various parts of the Internet. To see them in action is to take away any surprise at all that modern-day snake-oil salesmen like Griffin, Barnes, Darby, et al, have risen to the top of the BNP. It could never really be otherwise.

And that’s how we would like to keep it - the decidedly dodgy leading the irredeemably inept, dancing them around and around the houses in continuous procession that always returns to its starting point - thus sustaining a moral-boosting illusion of movement and progress when there is none at all.

Readers of these pages are well aware of the surfeit of problems besetting the British National Party - internal dissent, purges and expulsions, stolen “trade unions”, missing accounts, electoral stagnation … which taken together all adds up to a highly satisfying six months for anti-fascists, particularly as we feared (and the racists expected) that at this point in time we would be dealing with an organisationally larger, slicker and electorally better represented BNP.

Given this, we are entitled at ask: who in their right minds would choose this very time to provide the British National Party with invaluable national publicity, to allow them to spuriously present themselves simultaneously as champions of free speech and “victims” of “left-wing” censorship, and to provide them with a platform on which to do it?

As we are all aware, this week the Oxford Union Debating Society drove a coach and horses through No Platform by inviting the BNP’s Nick Griffin and jailbird “revisionist” author David Irving to address them on the subject of “free speech”.

The president of OUDS is Luke Tryl, a prominent member of Conservative Future, the Tory Party’s youth organisation. He justified the invitations on the grounds that “these people are not being given a platform to extol their views, but are coming to talk about the limits of free speech”.

From the beginning Tryl must have been alive to the fact that not only would the appearance of Griffin and Irving provoke widespread condemnation and protest, but that he was handing the BNP a priceless propaganda coup which it was certain to exploit and abuse - as it has - to its own benefit.

In fact Tryl had ample warnings, not least from OUDS members, that the only winners in this self-inflicted debacle were going to be the BNP and David Irving.

Yet he persisted, doggedly, to the point where serious questions concerning Tryl’s own motives are being asked.

Did he sacrifice No Platform purely to raise his own profile, with a calculating eye fixed on his own future political career? Or is he really so naive as to believe that “free speech” is an absolute, and that some of the most poisonous characters on the extreme fringe of British politics should be given platforms from which to espouse their creed of hate because Luke Tryl and his idealistic young friends have the arrogance of mind to believe that they are capable of “exposing” and “refuting” their arguments?

Young Mr Tryl might care to recall that both Griffin and Irving are veterans of the legal system, and have crossed swords with some of the best legal minds available. In Griffin’s case a lengthy trial failed to “refute” him, while in Irving’s the sharpest barristers took weeks to nail the man down.

What hope do Mr Tryl and those of like mind believe they have in “exposing” and “refuting” their arguments - assuming, of course, that people of Mr Tryl’s apparent high calibre are on hand to do the refuting?

No Platform having been breached for no particularly convincing reason by OUDS, students at the University of East Anglia have leapt in to widen the crack, claiming that free debate is the only way to tackle extremism.

We might be forgiven for asking the simple question - on what basis is this dogmatic pronouncement made, when every scrap of available evidence and our own long experience tells us that No Platform has achieved that end admirably?

The UEA’s student union displays the same breathtaking arrogance spiced with naiveté (we assume it to be naiveté) as that falling from the lips of Mr Tryl. According to them:

If fascist groups were to come to campus to debate, our representatives should be inside the room arguing with them and proving them wrong, not just protesting pointlessly outside


thus missing the point that any invitation extended to fascist groups to debate is in itself an admission that political hate organisations are qualitatively no different to other political organisations; and again making the arrogant assumption that, when faced with some of the wiliest veteran speakers of the extreme right, it is a given that the fresh-faced students will prove them wrong.

The UEA students further say:

If we ban these groups, we give them the moral high ground - they can claim they are unfairly treated and accuse those who do believe in democracy of being hypocrites


Hello?

Hasn’t that been exactly the position for the last three decades? Has it harmed anybody other than the fascists themselves, as was the whole intention?

Then we have:

[Perceived objection to new policy] ‘Fascist/racist groups will attack people [on campus], especially ethnic minorities, LGBT students and other discriminated against groups.’

This may be true. However, if it is, this is a matter for the police as it would be a criminal offence. You cannot assume people are guilty, however unpleasant they are, before they act.


So that’s all fine and dandy then. What this seems to be saying is that those lovers of free speech who feel themselves impelled to invite hate groups onto campus will take no responsibility for the actions of their esteemed guests, which must be dealt with by the police - presumably after people have been hurt, since “you cannot assume people are guilty … before they act”.

It’s a risk the “ethnic minorities, LGBT students and other discriminated against groups” will just have to take, apparently for the sake of somebody else’s “free speech”.

No Platform has hurt organisations like the BNP as nothing else could. They know it and we know it.

They know that the needless (and perhaps self-serving) actions of Luke Tryl and the OUDS represent an important first strike against No Platform, and could be a major step along the road that eventually will lead the BNP into the sun-lighted uplands of craved-for respectability.

Already the BNP are crowing that No Platform is broken, and that the remaining dominos will fall. In their fevered collective imagination the likes of Griffin and Darby are about to park their ample backsides on the breakfast TV sofas and to take their places as equals amongst the great and good on Question Time.

We must break the spell.

The breach is not yet so wide as to be beyond repair, and we understand that moves are afoot within the relevant organisations to restore the status quo.

No Platform must then be applied with renewed vigour.


It is a point of honour amongst liberals to claim that though they may disagree with another person’s point of view, they will fight to the death for the other’s right to say it. While the danger of death is remote, this well-known slogan is empty cant.

Allow me to rephrase it:

Though I may disagree with another person’s point of view, I will do all in my power to preserve the other’s right to say it - unless that other’s point of view is founded upon hate and bigotry, in which case I will do all in my power to suppress it.

November 24, 2007

BNP to speak to Oxford students

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An Oxford union has voted to let the British National Party (BNP) leader and a controversial historian speak at a free speech event on Monday.

Despite opposition, the Oxford Union Debating Society members voted by a margin of 2 to 1 to continue to extend an invite to the BNP's Nick Griffin. David Irving, who was jailed for Holocaust denial, will also be invited.

The move was opposed by the Oxford Student Union and the university's Muslim and Jewish societies.

The Oxford Union Debating Society said it was important to give people of all views a platform. Luke Tryl, president of the society, said: "The men were not being given a platform to extol their views, but were coming to talk about the limits for free speech. They will be speaking in the context of a forum in which there will be other speakers to challenge and attack their views in a head to head manner."

Jailed

Mr Griffin, the leader of the far-right party, has repeatedly insisted the BNP is not a racist group. He was convicted in 1998 for incitement to racial hatred for material denying the Holocaust.

Mr Irving was imprisoned for three years after pleading guilty to Holocaust denial in Austria. But he denied being a Holocaust denier as he said he had no alternative but to plead guilty to the charge.

The union said all tickets for the event, which were only available to its members - who are mainly students - had gone.

A rally in protest at the invitation was held on Tuesday and among those speaking there were Holocaust survivors.

Stephen Altmann-Richer, co-president of the Oxford University Jewish Society, said that while freedom of speech was important it was "overshadowed in this instance".

"I don't think these people should be invited to the Oxford Union, by having them speak, it legitimises their views," he said.

BBC

August 19, 2007

Czech watchdog to monitor hate speech

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Grant to go toward scanning Web sites for racist online activity

The Czech Helsinki Committee, a human rights watchdog, is calling on Internet host companies here and in the United States to remove Czech neo-Nazi Web sites that promote racist views.

A growing number of Czech-language Internet pages promote discrimination and racism, according to the nonprofit group, which recently received a 50,000 euro ($69,000/1.4 million Kč) grant from the European Economic Association to monitor such sites for discriminatory content.

In addition, Czech Helsinki Committee workers will ask Internet host companies to develop a common code of conduct to govern such sites, said František Valeš, a lawyer with the group.

One apparent neo-Nazi site calls for a den rasy, or “day of race.” A blog on the National Idea Web site rallies against feminism, calling it a “dead-end street.” An article on the Národní čest, or “national honor,” site claims that “nothing but the nation” has a “right to exist.”

Valeš said the sites are disturbing, but not illegal.

“They do not openly say that only white Czechs have a right to exist,” Valeš said. “It’s hidden between the lines.”

Unregulated Web

People found guilty of racially motivated crimes can be sentenced up to two years in jail, said Zuzana Kuncová, a spokeswoman for the Justice Ministry. Such crimes include speaking, writing or behaving in such a way as to degrade, intimidate or incite violence or prejudice against a person or a group of people based on their nationality, language, race, religion or class, Kuncová said.

The law mentions groups using TV, press, movies and radio — but not the Internet — to spread their messages.

And since corporations don’t have the same legal liability as individuals do under the national law on hate crimes, Internet host companies would be prosecuted administratively, meaning they would probably receive a fine if found guilty, she said. Kuncová did not specify a fine amount.

Miroslav Novotný, who works on the Autonomní nacionalisté Web site, said his group is aware of the laws and “we try to provoke as little as possible.” The Autonomní nacionalisté site name was provided by the Czech Helsinki Committee as one being monitored.

“No nationalistic or fascist ideologies are promoted on the site. You won’t find any oaths to the Third Reich or similar material, but only reports and remarks about the current situation,” Novotný said. “Everything is simply uncensored information, which no one might like, but censorship and the breaching of freedom of speech are unacceptable.”

At Národní korporativismus, another site being monitored by the rights group, there is discussion about “minorities,” although no particular group is mentioned.

“We respect the laws of our nation,” said Jiří Petřivalský, who is affiliated with the site. “We have never been accused of any [racist] statements, whether it be the spoken word or those published on our Web site.”

An estimated 7,000 right- and left-wing extremists belong to hate groups across the country, according to Petr Vorlíček, an Interior Ministry spokesman. While the numbers are constantly changing, officials believe about 600 people are involved in neo-Nazi activity.

Some Czech neo-Nazi sites are posted with U.S. Web providers. Since people who work at U.S. Internet service providers do not usually speak Czech, they may not be aware of inflammatory content, Valeš said.

Free speech issues

In general, Web content in the United States is protected as free speech under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. However, large Internet companies such as eBay and Google have in the past taken steps to remove offensive sites, including ones that sold Nazi memorabilia.

Steadfast Networks, an Internet provider in Chicago that hosts a site being monitored by the Czech Helsinki Committee, said it does not make judgments about content.

“If you can find any content that is illegal or in violation of trademark or copyright, you can submit appropriate paperwork to have it removed,” Kevin Stange, a spokesman for the site, said in an e-mail response to a question about monitoring such sites.

If Czech Web providers don’t comply with the committee’s requests, the watchdog group is ready to take cases to court, Valeš said, even though it is often hard to pin down a site’s creator or creators.

“Once charges are pressed, the sites do a disappearing act and their content is moved onto a new domain,” Valeš said.

In April, 27 European Union countries agreed to proposed new rules to combat racism and hate crimes, after six years of negotiation. The rules include jail sentences of up to three years for those who deny or trivialize genocides such as the mass killing of Jews during World War II.

Individual parliaments must still vet the rules, however. Countries such as the United Kingdom, Italy and Denmark were reluctant to agree to such EU laws, feeling they could supersede their own laws that guarantee freedom of expression.

Prague Post

July 12, 2007

Top Tory's blog on BNP is cleared

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More than 180 complaints against Welsh Conservative leader Nick Bourne's blog criticism of the British National Party (BNP) have been officially rejected. The Mid and West Wales AM was cleared by a Welsh assembly standards committee inquiry after a post in February. More than 180 complaints were registered about the comments.

Mr Bourne, who believed the complaints were politically orchestrated, called it a "victory for common sense and a victory for the right of free speech".

"I stand by every word I made about this organisation and its supporters. I have no intention of apologising for making them. I am delighted that the standards committee rejected these complaints out of hand. To condemn the language I used against this organisation would have sent out totally the wrong message from the National Assembly. I believe the National Assembly has today sent out a strong message that it will not tolerate such prejudice as we seek to build a fair and tolerant society."

During the recent assembly election campaign Mr Bourne joined a cross-party campaign to promote tolerance and diversity in Wales.

AMs and candidates backed the Wales Friends of Searchlight's Hope not Hate campaign against discrimination.

BBC News website