January 09, 2011

Are white girls really 'easy meat'?

Jack Straw, the former Home Secretary, claims that some Pakistani men see young white women as prime targets for sexual grooming. Is he right, asks Andrew Gilligan

If you want an example of the official “conspiracy of silence” that has allegedly allowed hundreds of vulnerable white girls in some towns to be abused by Asian men, the case of Ajmal Mohammed, a 43-year-old from Blackburn, might seem to be it. In 2004, Mohammed, an amateur cricketer in the Ribblesdale league, took a schoolgirl to a Manchester hotel room and got her drunk – to celebrate, he said, her 14th birthday. The child ran away. Police were called, but he denied having sex with her and they issued him with a “child abduction warning letter”. He was never prosecuted.

Two years later, Mohammed took another 14-year-old to a hotel room, this time in Blackpool – and this time he raped her. When the police came for him, they found the numbers of six other vulnerable youngsters on his mobile phone.

In industrial towns across the North and the Midlands, over the past three years, at least 51 people have been convicted in trials involving groups of men who have picked up young girls for sexual exploitation. Forty-eight of the offenders were Asian; the vast majority of the victims were white. Last week, in Derby, nine men, eight of them Asian, were sentenced for their parts in a gang that groomed, sexually exploited and in some cases raped 27 local children, 22 of them white.

The issue exploded on to the national agenda on Friday after Jack Straw, the former Home Secretary who is also MP for Blackburn, said that in his town, some Pakistani men saw white girls as “easy meat”. There was, he said, “a specific problem of Pakistani-heritage men who target vulnerable young white girls, and we need to get the Pakistani community to think much more clearly about why this is going on and about the problems that are leading to a number of Pakistani-heritage men thinking it’s OK to target white girls in this way”.

Many other figures involved in this field have fought shy. Martin Narey, the chief executive of Barnardo’s, initially described the evidence as merely “anecdotal”. A Channel 4 documentary on the subject in 2004 was pulled at the request of police. Few experts were willing to talk openly yesterday.

Yet as early as 2006, Blackburn’s local paper, the Lancashire Telegraph, launched a “Keep Them Safe” campaign to make the authorities tackle what it called “sexual grooming and abduction […] which predominantly involves Asian men”. In article after article, the paper charted locals’ frustration at officialdom’s reluctance to get involved: in 2007, it reported, the parents of some victims even threatened to sue the police for their failure to act. The editor, Kevin Young, said: “This is an extremely sensitive subject, and the Telegraph gave it a lot of consideration before launching its campaign.”

In response, in 2008, Lancashire police and Blackburn social services set up Operation Engage. By March last year, it had offered protection to some 385 girls and young women. Similar operations have sprung up in Preston and other nearby towns. Some schools in East Lancashire now offer their female pupils lessons in “how to spot a sexual groomer”.

There could, of course, hardly be a more emotive story than this. Sexual abuse! White girls! Pakistani men! Politically-correct establishment letting it all happen! No wonder the BNP has been licking its lips (though, unfortunately for them, the only two white Blackburn people recently convicted of this crime, in November 2008, turned out to be members of the party).

Yet just because the BNP exploits an issue, does not mean there is nothing in it. The questions really should be: is it simply a local problem in those towns? What, if any, wider weaknesses does it expose in Britain’s Muslim communities? And what, if any, wider weaknesses does it expose in Britain’s governing class?

Sadly for the racists, the figures just do not support any attempt to paint British Muslims and Asians as sex predators on a national scale. Asians are, in fact, under-represented among sex offenders. As at June 2009, there were 7,021 British men in prison for sex crimes, of whom only 234 were Asian. That is 3.3 per cent, rather less than the proportion of Asians in the population. And a 2008 study by Malcolm Cowburn of Sheffield Hallam University found that jailed sex criminals from ethnic minorities were less likely to have abused children than white sex offenders.

Haras Rafique, of the Centri counter-extremism think tank, says: “There is a problem, a massive problem, but I don’t think it’s confined to Pakistani communities. It only appears to be a bigger problem with immigrants because immigrants are more visible.”

And not just because of their skin colour. Asians do not commit more sex crimes, but they do, perhaps, commit different sorts of sex crimes. White child abusers are more likely to find and groom their victims in private, on the internet. The evidence suggests that Asian abusers are more likely to find and groom their victims in public, on the street.

Straw says young men “fizzing and popping with testosterone” are taking up with white children because “Pakistani-heritage girls are off limits and they are expected to marry a Pakistani girl from Pakistan”. Rafique says the former Home Secretary is living in the 1970s: “These guys are just as happy to groom Asian girls if they can get them,” he says. “It’s just that the parents of Asian girls tend to keep a closer eye on them.” Quite a lot of those convicted are also in their 30s.

One other feature in the abuse must be the view, held by a substantial minority of British Muslims, that the Western lifestyle is immoral or degenerate. Only two weeks ago, the East London Mosque, the largest mosque in Britain’s largest Muslim community, held an event condemning “child-rearing in the Western context” as a “social ill”.

This mosque, and many others, has also hosted events condemning music, immodest dress and the wearing of perfume. A young Muslim man brought up on that sort of diet is less likely to treat a white girl in a short skirt with respect.

But the East London Mosque, and many other such havens of hatred and extremism, was, at least until recently, treated by the white political establishment as a respectable, mainstream institution. And that brings us to the sense of denial by some white liberals, and their refusal to hold Muslims to the standards they expect in others.

Last year, this newspaper told how more than £100,000 of public money was paid to two schools with connections to the racist, extremist group Hizb ut Tahrir – the Muslim equivalent of the BNP. The headmistress of one described English as “the most dangerous subject a school can teach”. If the BNP had been given public money to run schools, it would have been stopped. But the then schools secretary, Ed Balls, defended the payments.

Many other parts of the British state, from Ofsted to the Charity Commission, have been less than willing to confront prima facie evidence of extremism and intolerance, often to the frustration of Muslims themselves. Even last week, one Guardian columnist dismissed the Muslim grooming claims as “part of the ignoble tradition of racialising criminality in this country”.

Even though sex crimes committed by Pakistanis may be no more prevalent than those committed by people of any other race, that still leaves the question of whether those crimes are being less effectively tackled by the authorities. Some might argue that the relative lack of Asian sex offenders in prison reflects the authorities’ relative unwillingness to pursue Asian sex offenders.

Criminologists say that that is probably not the explanation. But as with any offenders of any race, people commit crime more if they think they can get away with it. And in the eyes of many people in East Lancashire, there was, at least until recently, a willingness to let Pakistani offenders get away with it, for fear of being accused of racism. The danger, of course, is that that stokes the very bigotry it seeks to avoid.

The lesson from Blackburn, however, is that if the problem is brought out into the open, it can be addressed. Since the local paper’s campaign, and the establishment of Operation Engage, there have been 63 charges, a number of convictions and, apparently, a deterrent effect: according to Engage’s co-ordinator, 80 per cent of the cases they now deal with (albeit on a broader front than merely street grooming) do not involve Pakistanis.

Last night, in the inevitable political row, some of the usual suspects accused Straw of “stereotyping a whole community”. But this subject does not have to become a racial melodrama; it is, principally, a crime. We can tackle it – but first we have to start talking about it.

Telegraph

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

We've all had holidays abroad,sadly british drinking culture has gone mad,ask italians,french,spanish,greeks,portugese etc what they about our girls?i'm stating facts they all mock our girls as easy meat/prey due to alcohol/drugs.majority of our teens get pregnant due to been drunk(worst underage pregnacy levels in europe).STOP & THINK WHY UK!i rest my case uk.9XZULUG

unplugged from the matrix said...

Excellent balanced article by the telegraph. Black brown or white,scum are scum and the authority's should not be afraid to take action because of the fear of the race card being used by these criminals.This is the real problem with diversity and cohesion. Its not the fact that people are from other countries. Its the fact that the establishment is so terrified of looking bigoted or racist that criminals from ethnic groupings are using this to do as they wish.

Shahid Bhai UK said...

I think a far larger problem exists in the villages of Thailand; yep thats right 50+ year old white British men kiddy fiddling very young Thais. At least in this country people get prosecuted for these sick crimes yet in Thailand the police turn a blind eye to the vast majority of cases. Perhaps our rabid tabloids should be investigating these cases?

Anonymous said...

Most abuse against children in our society (by any nationality) is committed by family members or close friends, just as most rape is committed by a partner or someone known to the victim.

The establishment that Unplugged from the matrix mentions never seems to tire of racialising crime at any opportunity. Usually terms like "inner city crime" have become code words for "black crime". Funny how I rarely hear about something called "white crime"? Maybe because the whole notion is ludicrous. If you think a particular skin colour or ethnic group has a monopoly on crime maybe you should lay off the Daily Mails.

Benny said...

Two points from an observer: Asian paedophiles are no more prevalent tnan white sex attackers.

Secondly, why are white (and black) girls more likely to be victims of such publcised cases involving men of Asian extraction?

Straw, the racist arsehole, thinks the criminals are anti-white? This is absolute bullshit.

Just think why there are few Asian girls to become victims?

Muslim girls do not drink alcohol or use drugs like white underaged teens. Even the less devout girls would never touch a drop of alcohol in their lives, meaning they cannot get date-raped as easy. Not without rohypnol.

Old Jackdaw is being racist to help Labour beat the BNP in the neighbouring Oldham ward, talking racist to appeal to floatingb BNP voters.

Anonymous said...

The whole "white girl" victim thing is overpolayed, and if Straw put his mind to it, he would understand it's all about drug and alcohol use.

Most underage white teenagers have used drugs and alcohol, which is why most of these studied victims happen to be white.

How many Asian girls would even touch a drop of alcohol, even over the age of consent.

Anonymous said...

Victims are only mainly white cos of the unwillingness of Asian girls to drink and take drugs because of religion. It's not an actual issue if race!

Sami said...

The whole affair has exposed the blatant hypocrisy of the EDL and in particular, Joe Casual (AKA) insane knife criminal Jeff Marsh, who is hardly an expert on law enforcement, (apart from his alleged special branch grassing).

Jeff has posted several articles exploiting the Jack Straw story, forgetting the most obvious fact that the EDL are supposed to oppose militant Islam and not random non-religious Asian criminals.

The more Jeff Marsh shouts his stupid mouth off about issues which don't relate to militant Islam, the more the EDL are unmasked as the new BNP.

Jeff can talk about gangsters, as he has many friends in the London criminal underworld.

Anonymous said...

Surely there is another worrying fact surrounding these dreadful cases of the abuse of young white girls by Asian men.
Where are the parents? Why are girls as young as these allowed out at night? As a mother of adult "children" I'm saddened and appalled in equal measures to think these children do not have the guidance or love of caring parents.The parents are guilty of failing in their fundamental duty to protect and care for their children and should be dealt with accordingly.
It will be up to the CPS and ultimately the courts to deal with the perpetrators of these crimes.

Wolfie said...

This is a really difficult area. Firstly, as I think the telegraph points out, asians are slightly under-represented in the prison system as sex criminals. This implies that there's no specific link between race and criminality (or that some aren't getting caught).

the bigger, and much more obvious issue is that of patriarchy. male power is at the heart of all of this; asian males who abuse on the streets because they're male and therefore "in charge". white males who abuse in thailand and elsewhere because they have power and therefore they're in charge. Male parents and relatives - of whatever race- who abuse becasue of the power they weild in the family; males bosses who routinely target female employees with sexual advances and comments because they're "in charge". This comes back time and time again to the inadequate socialisation of men in some sections of our society; the creation of groups of men who believe that it is ok to abuse because they are "in charge".

Ot might be true that some belief systems are used to justify this; religion is one, but then so is class culture; the culture of being "a bit of a lad" and "one of the boys" is just as corrosive as anything else and at the end of it all is some woman taking the shit from some man.

Anonymous said...

Straw, the racist arsehole, thinks the criminals are anti-white? This is absolute bullshit.

And this kind of attitude was one of the reasons it was brushed under the carpet by MPs, police, and councils. Of course there are more white offenders, because there are 55m white people and 7m black and Asian.

Anonymous said...

Most underage white teenagers have used drugs and alcohol, which is why most of these studied victims happen to be white.

According to the police, these young girls were not drinking alcohol or taking drugs, they were given them by the Asians involved.

Anonymous said...

A lot of the old Nazi propaganda in the 1920's and 1930's involved lurid tales of Jewish men tempting Aryan German women into vice. Julius Steicher's 'Der Sturmer' newspaper was notorious for this.

This Asian male grooming thing seems to be a modern equivalent to that. It plays on peoples' fears and inadequacies.

Tarik said...

Straw either knew what impact his comments were going to make, or is monumentally naive. Either way, he needs his knuckles rapped for peddling this skewed and racist rhetoric.

Anonymous said...

These comments are a digrace. Regardless of the alleged Racial aspect of these crimes - these are still young girls who have been abused and raped.

Some people on here are almost implying these girls were asking for it, due to the fact these girls took drugs or drink!

From what I read these girls had loose family networks and were at risk, people should have sympathy for them rather than suggesting they were somehow asking for it

Rape and abuse is the same whether it happens in Thailand or in the UK!

AS FOR THIS COMMENT

Just think why there are few Asian girls to become victims?

Muslim girls do not drink alcohol or use drugs like white underaged teens. Even the less devout girls would never touch a drop of alcohol in their lives, meaning they cannot get date-raped as easy. Not without rohypnol.

So by the school of thinking, if an Muslim girl took drugs or drank and then somehow if she was abused then she only has herseld to blame

unplugged from the matrix said...

In response to a few people who have posted comments. Some people appear to be just dismissive of some Asians grooming white girls. Yes it may be over hyped frenzy by the media and jack straw. And yes there is a whole area of information that needs analysed. Such as drug use and are these men even practising Muslims and should they even be refereed to as Muslim.
This unchecked perception alone can divide community's and cause disharmony among different cultures.These people making these comments are being as biased as Griffin though. Griffin jumps on this to drum up distrust and hatred of Muslims. But you can not just dismiss this as right wing propaganda. The evidence is there. This evidence helps griffin recruit. The reason we are in this mess is because the right shout foul and the left [sometimes] hang there head in denial.
Black Asian or whatever also has the propensity to be racist.This needs to be acknowledged.When as a society we start tackling racism of any kind we will start to beat it. Beat that and we beat the likes of the odious griffin.

Anonymous said...

It is interesting that Straw should open his mouth on this subject. By contrast, as Home Secretary, he refused to make any effort at all to challenge any of the hysterical stories about asylum seekers that were so common back then.

The man really is utterly contemptible.

Anonymous said...

It is interesting that Straw should open his mouth on this subject.

People like Jack Straw prefer to accommodate to racism rather than confront it.

"Jack Straw-in-the-wind" should be his nickname.

Mike W said...

The comments about white girls being likely to drink alcohol or take drugs does not dismiss the fact these kids are victims. Like hell they are.

Figures point to a majority of white or black underage kids having used substances and alcohol, but this is not being judgemental to say this. It's just a statistic, a fact of life. Right or wrong.

Religuous-minded individuals or families might be missing out on fun by keeping kids in at night, and teaching abstinance, was the case might be. Without the willingness of young people to experiment, there would have been no rock and roll, punk, and acid house music. Society would have been far more boring in my own personal point of view.

It is a matter of personal opinion.

It's simply a fact that there are less religious or cultural barriers to white (or black) kids, who don't believe in a God, from thinking they will go to hell by going out and night and having fun, using drugs and alcohol (whether Muslim, Hindu, Ultra-Orthadox Jewish evangelical Christian, Mormon, or Jehovas Witness.

Taking a neutral standpoint about the validity of religion, and whether there is a god, etc., is not condemning young people who experiment with drugs as being morally wrong. Freedom to experiment with substances legal or otherwise, is all part of the modern Western way of growing up, and has its pros as well as cons regarding personal freedoms, etc.

White (and black girls) who would not say no to snorting coke or drinking alcohol, DO NOT ASK TO BE SEXUALLY ABUSED.

NEITHER ARE THEY EASY-MEAT OR TARGETTED AS A RACE HATE CRIME as some means as once (incorrectly) was known as "reverse racism".

If Asian girls imagine they will be damned to hell for drinking or taking drugs, THIS DOES NOT MAKE SUCH KIDS ANY MORE MORALLY RITEOUS THAN WHITE ATHIEST KIDS.

IT SIMPLY EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE MORE WHITE THAN ASIAN VICTIMS. That and the fact that fewer Muslim females go pubbling and clubbing, thus would not be out on the streets to be abused.

Not being out at might, and willing to drink/take drugs, does not mean the victims "deserved to be abused".

Pointing out cultural reasons why Asian girls would be less likely to accept drinks, etc, is a million miles from saying that white girls who said "yes" and attended the paedophiles parties, were deserved of abuse.

It's hardly rocket science to see why the criminal gang in the news picked on white girls from low income households, as this was simply a case of physically availability.

Yes, there was obviously a case of the actual victims being vulnerable, but the gang would have abused Asian girls if they were available, which most probably they were not.

I do think some of the comments on here are written by BNP/EDL supporters to poo-poo anti-racists.

Explaining why most victims are white, neither says that the kids drinking and taking drugs pushed to them by paedophiles are at fault, or should not be treated as victims.

It just explains that religious barriers to Muslim girls drinking and taking drugs means the demography of victims are mostly white, not the barking-mad bullshit of Jack Straw.

White girls are "easy meat" my bloody arse!

Asian child abusers (like any other form of child abuser) would pray on any child of any skin colour available. Asian girls just are not as available to be abused, which by no means is a slur upon the Western experimental lifestyle.

It doesn't mean white girls are any better or worse than Asian girls. Religion and family structure is arbitary, and who is to say believing in a god is better than believing in none. To do would be judgemental to the extreme, and would indeed paint the victims as being deserved of abuse, which is totally and absolutely wrong.

The Sane Professor said...

The comments about white girls being likely to drink alcohol or take drugs does not dismiss the fact these kids are victims. Like hell they are.

Figures point to a majority of white or black underage kids having used substances and alcohol, but this is not being judgemental to say this. It's just a statistic, a fact of life. Right or wrong.

Religuous-minded individuals or families might be missing out on fun by keeping kids in at night, and teaching abstinance, was the case might be. Without the willingness of young people to experiment, there would have been no rock and roll, punk, and acid house music. Society would have been far more boring in my own personal point of view.

It is a matter of personal opinion.

It's simply a fact that there are less religious or cultural barriers to white (or black) kids, who don't believe in a God, from thinking they will go to hell by going out and night and having fun, using drugs and alcohol (whether Muslim, Hindu, Ultra-Orthadox Jewish evangelical Christian, Mormon, or Jehovas Witness.

Taking a neutral standpoint about the validity of religion, and whether there is a god, etc., is not condemning young people who experiment with drugs as being morally wrong. Freedom to experiment with substances legal or otherwise, is all part of the modern Western way of growing up, and has its pros as well as cons regarding personal freedoms, etc.

White (and black girls) who would not say no to snorting coke or drinking alcohol, DO NOT ASK TO BE SEXUALLY ABUSED.

NEITHER ARE THEY EASY-MEAT OR TARGETTED AS A RACE HATE CRIME as some means as once (incorrectly) was known as "reverse racism".

If Asian girls imagine they will be damned to hell for drinking or taking drugs, THIS DOES NOT MAKE SUCH KIDS ANY MORE MORALLY RITEOUS THAN WHITE ATHIEST KIDS.

IT SIMPLY EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE MORE WHITE THAN ASIAN VICTIMS. That and the fact that fewer Muslim females go pubbling and clubbing, thus would not be out on the streets to be abused.

IT'S A FACT OF LIFE, NOT A JUDGEMENT!

Anonymous said...

Pointing out there are less vulnerable Asian girls out at night, for religious, cultural and family reasons, is not being judgemental. Nobody deserves to be a victim. It's just a far more accurate reflection on why most victims were white than some cloud cuckoo reason about white girls being "easy meat". Jack straw is just a just a populist fool trying to help Labour win the racist vote at the Oldham by-election, as the Northwest is a hotbed of racial natioanlism, and the region that elected Nick Cyclops Gri££in as its Euro MP.

Anonymous said...

The comments about white girls being likely to drink alcohol or take drugs does not dismiss the fact these kids are victims. Like hell they are.

Figures point to a majority of white or black underage kids having used substances and alcohol, but this is not being judgemental to say this. It's just a statistic, a fact of life. Right or wrong.

Religuous-minded individuals or families might be missing out on fun by keeping kids in at night, and teaching abstinance, was the case might be. Without the willingness of young people to experiment, there would have been no rock and roll, punk, and acid house music. Society would have been far more boring in my own personal point of view.

It is a matter of personal opinion.

It's simply a fact that there are less religious or cultural barriers to white (or black) kids, who don't believe in a God, from thinking they will go to hell by going out and night and having fun, using drugs and alcohol.

Religious and social abstinance whether Muslim, Hindu, Ultra-Orthadox Jewish evangelical Christian, Mormon, or Jehovas Witness, doesn't make religious people morally superior. It merely explains why such kids would not be out at night.

Taking a neutral standpoint about the validity of religion, and whether there is a god, etc., is not condemning young people who experiment with drugs as being morally wrong. Freedom to experiment with substances legal or otherwise, is all part of the modern Western way of growing up, and has its pros as well as cons regarding personal freedoms, etc.

White (and black girls) who would not say no to snorting coke or drinking alcohol, DO NOT ASK TO BE SEXUALLY ABUSED.

Anonymous said...

NEITHER ARE THEY EASY-MEAT OR TARGETTED AS A RACE HATE CRIME as some means as once (incorrectly) was known as "reverse racism".

If Asian girls imagine they will be damned to hell for drinking or taking drugs, THIS DOES NOT MAKE SUCH KIDS ANY MORE MORALLY RITEOUS THAN WHITE ATHIEST KIDS.

IT SIMPLY EXPLAINS WHY THERE ARE MORE WHITE THAN ASIAN VICTIMS. That and the fact that fewer Muslim females go pubbling and clubbing, thus would not be out on the streets to be abused.

Not being out at might, and willing to drink/take drugs, does not mean the victims "deserved to be abused".

Pointing out cultural reasons why Asian girls would be less likely to accept drinks, etc, is a million miles from saying that white girls who said "yes" and attended the paedophiles parties, were deserved of abuse.

It's hardly rocket science to see why the criminal gang in the news picked on white girls from low income households, as this was simply a case of physically availability.

Yes, there was obviously a case of the actual victims being vulnerable, but the gang would have abused Asian girls if they were available, which most probably they were not.

I do think some of the comments on here are written by BNP/EDL supporters to poo-poo anti-racists.

Explaining why most victims are white, neither says that the kids drinking and taking drugs pushed to them by paedophiles are at fault, or should not be treated as victims.

It just explains that religious barriers to Muslim girls drinking and taking drugs means the demography of victims are mostly white, not the barking-mad bullshit of Jack Straw.

White girls are "easy meat" my bloody arse!

Asian child abusers (like any other form of child abuser) would pray on any child of any skin colour available. Asian girls just are not as available to be abused, which by no means is a slur upon the Western experimental lifestyle.

It doesn't mean white girls are any better or worse than Asian girls. Religion and family structure is arbitary, and who is to say believing in a god is better than believing in none. To do would be judgemental to the extreme, and would indeed paint the victims as being deserved of abuse, which is totally and absolutely wrong.

Anonymous said...

Not being out at might, and willing to drink/take drugs, does not mean the victims "deserved to be abused".

Pointing out cultural reasons why Asian girls would be less likely to accept drinks, etc, is a million miles from saying that white girls who said "yes" and attended the paedophiles parties, were deserved of abuse.

It's hardly rocket science to see why the criminal gang in the news picked on white girls from low income households, as this was simply a case of physically availability.

Yes, there was obviously a case of the actual victims being vulnerable, but the gang would have abused Asian girls if they were available, which most probably they were not.

I do think some of the comments on here are written by BNP/EDL supporters to poo-poo anti-racists.

Anonymous said...

Explaining why most victims are white, neither says that the kids drinking and taking drugs pushed to them by paedophiles are at fault, or should not be treated as victims.

It just explains that religious barriers to Muslim girls drinking and taking drugs means the demography of victims are mostly white, not the barking-mad bullshit of Jack Straw.

White girls are "easy meat" my bloody arse!

Asian child abusers (like any other form of child abuser) would pray on any child of any skin colour available. Asian girls just are not as available to be abused, which by no means is a slur upon the Western experimental lifestyle.

It doesn't mean white girls are any better or worse than Asian girls. Religion and family structure is arbitary, and who is to say believing in a god is better than believing in none. To do would be judgemental to the extreme, and would indeed paint the victims as being deserved of abuse, which is totally and absolutely wrong.

Anonymous said...

It's Jack Straw who is "playing the race card".

Stop The EDL said...

"And yes there is a whole area of information that needs analysed. Such as drug use and are these men even practising Muslims and should they even be refereed to as Muslim".

Jeff Marsh is jumping on the bandwagon on both the Casuals United and English Defence League Extra Blogspots, purposely blurring the difference between non-practicing drug and alcohol using Muslim-by-birth criminals, and anti-drug/alcohol/promescuity Islamic fundamnetalists.

Jeff Marsh is a racist c**t!