October 01, 2007

Solidarity: an update. Theft is theft, even when it's intellectual property theft.

The appalling story of the BNP's disastrous move into the trades union movement continues with the September bulletin from the original union started by the BNP (which we shall refer to as Solidarity 1) having a go at 'untrustworthy' Nick Griffin and the union's Certification Officer.

In response to a question referring to the extremely confusing double-union situation that asks what the future holds for Solidarity, Vice-President Tim Hawkes responds thus:

'Which one? As far as the EC [Executive Committee] of Solidarity is concerned, the idea of a union run and controlled by the BNP leadership (and Third Way sidekicks) is a joke. The Union must be focused on worker issues not political point scoring. It is clear that the support structure of Solidarity with regards to promotion and recruitment has been seriously harmed and our association with Nick Griffin – who publicly and privately declared to me that he view (sic) Solidarity as ‘independent’ – who I now consider to be highly untrustworthy, has harmed us considerably. Well, with regards to the BNP-Solidarity version, we understand that it is fundamentally just a political union and by its actions have rejected any true sense of independence and therefore it is unlikely to go anywhere other than as a smoke screen in loosely supporting working class concerns. However, I for one would not be prepared to willingly betray the British workers by allowing the BNP leadership to dictate the actions of Solidarity. It is one of the prime reasons that I have continued my work with the Union. The future of Solidarity is in question, and in truth I would personally consider a dead union to be better than a corrupt thieving union, after all there are plenty of TUC unions who fill that role. My greatest concern is that BNP-Solidarity will succeed due to the Certification Office unwillingness to do their job, and the EC’s lack of legal resources means that genuine non-political people will join up with the BNP version, not knowing that it simply funds a lifestyle for individuals of questionable moral integrity who have no concerns for the workers of this country and frequently don’t even work themselves. At this stage we should just wait to see if the Certification Office do anything, and apply pressure where we can.'

Hawke is being disingenuous. Solidarity 1 was started by and for the BNP and was, from its birth, run and controlled by the BNP leadership and its Third Way sidekicks. Though the party and the detestable Patrick Harrington (former General Secretary of Solidarity 1, currently General Secretary of Solidarity 2 and long-time pal of BNP leader Nick Griffin) attempted to deny the BNP front-group status of Solidarity (and continually edit Wikipedia entries to that effect) the actions taken by the party immediately following the suspension of Harrington from Solidarity 1 made it perfectly obvious that Griffin always intended to control the union completely and wasn't about to let that control pass into the hands of others who may not have his best interests at heart.

Hawke's ludicrous statement that 'we understand that [Solidarity 2] is fundamentally just a political union' displays either a convenient disregard of Solidarity's entire very short history or a truly incredible naivety that makes one wonder whether he should just give up politics now before he does himself a mischief, though he almost redeems himself with his criticism of the Certification Office, which seems to have ignored the turmoil completely, and his comment 'that genuine non-political people will join up with the BNP version, not knowing that it simply funds a lifestyle for individuals of questionable moral integrity', presumably a reference to Harrington and/or Griffin.

Solidarity 1 has, let's face it, had it. It's time for Hawke and co to bite the bullet and accept that Griffin and Harrington have, despite acting in a manner that almost everyone with a conscience would consider both immoral and illegal (the theft of the union funds, the website and the account details immediately following Harrington's suspension), outflanked the original union leadership and appear to be getting away with it. If it's any consolation, our estimate is that the union will collapse within a year or two anyway, through lack of interest. Nobody would want to be a part of an unrecognised union with no negotiating power and in any case, once Nick Griffin sees that it isn't a money-spinner, he'll lose interest and stop supporting it.

Hawke is right about one thing though and that is that the Certification Office should have jumped on this right from the start. Both versions of Solidarity should have been suspended until a proper investigation (including a police investigation) had taken place.

The story (thus far) can be followed via the links below:

BNP's fake union Solidarity already up against the ropes
BNP's Solidarity situation worsens - fake union under threat
Solidarity - an email update from the Vice-President Tim Hawke
BNP discards democracy completely to force takeover of 'independent' Solidarity
Solidarity disaster goes critical as criminal investigation is threatened
Where next for the BNP’s amoeba-like Solidarity union?
Solidarity update - BNP’s Nick Griffin heavily criticised for interference
Solidarity - police called in

One interesting though relatively trivial spin-off from all this is that Solidarity 2 has applied to have the logo (top) registered as a trade mark, with all the intellectual property rights that this would give them. However, as many of our correspondents have pointed out, the design of the Solidarity logo (and indeed, the name itself) is a blatant rip-off of the logo (above) of the real Solidarity union which itself owns the copyright on the original image. Objections to the fake union stealing the logo and name of the original and far more worthy Solidarity can be made via email to the Intellectual Property Office here: law.section@ipo.gov.uk

63 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Hawke is right about one thing though and that is that the Certification Office should have jumped on this right from the start. Both versions of Solidarity should have been suspended until a proper investigation (including a police investigation) had taken place."



You still ain't listening are you?

The BNP is controlled by the state.

The state likes the way the BNP is operating.

The state will not interfere and rock the boat on what it considers an extremist safety valve and that means you as well as us. People like us are definate personality types given to joining, demonstrating and being part of pressure groups and generally attempting to seek what we consider to be right. The state doesn't like people like us, we're supposed to go about our business quietly which is why they allow US to exist so they can keep an eye on US. Anyway, if UAF didn't exist what would you do? Join ALF?


Regards

SE

Anonymous said...

Is there any legitimate reason why the Certification office is not acting? or is it just a case of if we ignore it enough it will just go away?????

Wierd Aunt Martha said...

Give over Sharon. Some BNP are state, some UAF are state. Fact of life. Just a small number of grasses, not whole leaderships.

Griffin ain't state. He's just a greed merchant and con artist, but, yeah, he'd sell the BNP for money.

Fooled you for long enough, didn't he?

Anonymous said...

It's amazing that Sharon Ebanks actually uses UAF to suit her agenda.

One would almost think she was getting paid ;-)

Anonymous said...

the actions taken by the party immediately following the suspension of Harrington from Solidarity 1 made it perfectly obvious that Griffin always intended to control the union completely and wasn't about to let that control pass into the hands of others who may not have his best interests at heart.

Nothing is 'perfectly obvious' unless you're on the inside so most of what i've read on this topic is hot-air and wishful fancies. One can't find the truth by starting with an assumption e.g. everythings a BNP plot and then twist the facts to fit the assumption.

Antifascist said...

'Is there any legitimate reason why the Certification office is not acting? or is it just a case of if we ignore it enough it will just go away?????'

We suspect the latter.

'One would almost think she was getting paid ;-)'

Lucky her.

'Nothing is 'perfectly obvious' unless you're on the inside so most of what i've read on this topic is hot-air and wishful fancies.'

The information we receive is from the inside. There are a lot of people who are very angry about the Solidarity fiasco and they are happy to provide in the hope that the truth will out. Be honest, if you're waiting for the truth from Harrington and Griffin, you'll be here 'til Doomsday.

'One can't find the truth by starting with an assumption e.g. everythings a BNP plot and then twist the facts to fit the assumption.'

Which is why we don't. We're in the happy position of having people inside both the BNP and Solidarity giving us very sound information (never used until it's corroborated by others). We don't need to assume plots and we certainly have no need to twist facts. Get your head around that and you might start to see the truth about your glorious leader - many people have and judging by our mailbox, many more are getting there every day.

Anonymous said...

People should complain to the Certification Office and demand from them 'Solidarity 2' should be closed down as it is operating illegally, and to end the whole matter with Solidarity - seeing that it has been so grotesquely tainted and pulverised by Harrington and Griffin - the Certification Office should just close down the whole damned sham.

Anonymous said...

"Wierd Aunt Martha said...
Give over Sharon. Some BNP are state, some UAF are state. Fact of life."

Agreed but...

What I'm saying, is the BNP can operate how it wishes because the State doesn't want to rock the boat. The state NEEDS Griffin incharge of the BNP because he's destroying it in such a way that people will be turned off nationalism for life.


Griffin is very much state, he's doing their work right now. Either that or he's the thickest person I ever came across.


Yes, he fooled me but I'm a trusting wee beastie :-)

As for the person stating I use this blog for my own agenda, nope, It's just a blog or don't you believe in free speech? I don't get paid either. I'll willingly call Griffin a scumbag till the day I die and do it for now't.

Regards

SE

Anonymous said...

Just another blog Sharon?, thats the story of your sad little cyber life isnt it. You dont really exist in the real world anymore.

Anonymous said...

Solidarity 1 has, let's face it, had it. It's time for Hawke and co to bite the bullet and accept that Griffin and Harrington have, despite acting in a manner that almost everyone with a conscience would consider both immoral and illegal (the theft of the union funds, the website and the account details immediately following Harrington's suspension), outflanked the original union leadership and appear to be getting away with it.

Solidarity funds are fine and our accounts are done by a professional accountant, audited and published to our members and (via the Union website) to the general public. Does Lancaster UAF do the same? What are your procedures?

What I think you really mean is that we didn't allow a coup d'etat to take place against our General Secretary. He has certainly broken no law and has acted with moral courage -ignoring the personal attacks and vilification and getting on with his job of representing members.

I hope that our Brotherhood will pursue those (like Hawke) who have attempted to disrupt our mission. They should be made an example of.

Anonymous said...

To Mr Hawkes
"Dance with the devil and you'll be burnt."

I remember reading (probably on this site) a comment where Harrington said that Tim got involved after Solidarity was formed, well we all know what the BNP are like - as would Hawkes so he shouldn't have got involved.

Now he's been burnt by the BNP ;-)
Another lesson in life

Anonymous said...

All this 'STATE' nonsense is stupid! There's no MI5 or 6 mingling in with either the BNP or the UAF, you all just say this to sound important. Both groups are irrelevant to the massive majority of the public, the only people who are interested in both are the activists from both sides. You big up your selves by using words such as 'STATE'. Give it a rest FFS, you're NOTHINGS, interesting, but NOTHINGS. Now then, I am STATE, a public servent fighting crime all the time nut there's no MI5 or other such Spooks involved!

john p said...

Has anybody ever approached the original union in poland to let them know their name and logo are being used by two right wing groups in this country.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Just another blog Sharon?, thats the story of your sad little cyber life isnt it. You dont really exist in the real world anymore.

4:22 PM, October 02, 2007"


Awww, taking a pop at me because you can't handle that the BNP has turned into a pile of shit?

Coward

Zero regards

SE

Anonymous said...

"Both groups are irrelevant to the massive majority of the public, the only people who are interested in both are the activists from both sides"

How far from the truth can you be?? It is because of the fine work of people like LUAF and various UAF folks that the BNP remain marginal. Without people knowing the truth the electorate could be easily misled. Thankfully the BNP are lacking in popularity but it would be wrong to suggest that they are irrelevant. Yes they have 49 councillors out of 20,000 in the UK No Mps and no MEPs

lets keep it that way or better still hopefully UAF can destry them all together

Anonymous said...

'Solidarity funds are fine and our accounts are done by a professional accountant, audited and published to our members and (via the Union website) to the general public.'

So says Patrick Harrington, erstwhile 'General Secretary' of a fake union that he illegaly took over along with his equally corrupt buddy Nick Griffin. Does the man have no shame?

Clearly not.

Mr harrington - a an with a history of unprincipled wheeling and dealing in ideas and groups, and a poor track record of anything to dow ith money - expects US to accept that the Solidarity union accounts are fine???

He's having a laugh...or the man's bonkers.

It is common place for criminals to sewek to cover up their crimes by extolling the virtues of themselves and to lie, lie, lie.

Your lies will convince no-one with a brain Mr harrington (which is why he works so well with his new, old pal Griffin).

And who exactly are these 'auditors'. More ex-NF friends of yours Mr harrington, or other muppets who know you well enough and are big enough suckers to agree to signing what are clearly false accounts.

Mr harrington - a man hated and reviled by both the Left and the Right, a man whose career wa sbult on ego and lies in quicksand.

Anonymous said...

Patrick Harrington (he's the new self-important 'leader' of the sham union Solidarity by the way), came on to this blog and said this load of self-important rubbish...

"What I think you really mean is that we didn't allow a coup d'etat to take place against our General Secretary. He has certainly broken no law and has acted with moral courage -ignoring the personal attacks and vilification and getting on with his job of representing members."

It is obvious to all right-thinking people and thsoe who come on to this blog and reading the excellent objective reports of Solidarity here that Harrington actually STOLE the union as he had been properly and constitutionally suspended for matters concerning money (there we go again - money. What is it with Harrington and Griffin and MONEY???).

Harrington and Griffin clearly acted AGAINST the law, despite all the self-justification that those two crooks croak on about. They have illegally stolen union funds and membership and are operating a false union. Period.

It was clearly Harrington who carried through a 'Coup d'etat" as he saw the wind was blowing in his direction, bringing with it expulsion and Griffin realised that he had to keep his equally corrupt old National Front colleague on board that union.

The man then has the audacity to say that he has acted with "moral courage"!!! Harrington is clearly insane, criminally insane, and expects us all to swallow his stream of lies and self-promotion like the idiots that he thinks we are! No way, Jose! We are not all empty-headed morons and muppets like half the people that you are used to deal with inside Third Way and the BNP. It takes no "moral courage" to run away from a disciplinary and serious charges of fraud,running to an old pal who is a big cheese and getting him to steal it, no matter how much of a sham the Solidarity was.

To top it all Harrington says that he has had to put up with "personal attacks and villification"! Wel, since Harrington is responsible for posting up so many smears and attacks on so many other individuals that is a bit rich coming from him.

Then I suppose we must make allowances for Patrick Harrington as he is clearly deluded and mentally insane.

Anonymous said...

Pat Harrington has the support of the vast majority of members of our Union. You accuse him of all kinds of things yet as you admit the authorities find nothing against him. Hawke and Potter even withdrew some of their allegations (albeit grudgingly). I look forward to Pat Harrington pursuing those who have made and published false allegations and ensuring they are properly punished.

It is you who are deluded. There is only one Solidarity and it is led by our General Secretary Pat Harrington. Face facts - you bit off more than you could chew!

Anonymous said...

it never ceases to amaze me just how much the nazis are into punishment.

Old Sailor said...

Yet another Anon said:Pat Harrington has the support of the vast majority of members of our Union.

Has the Nutzie Clone who wrote that worked out that how small this non-Union is ?

Somehow I don't see "Stupiality" organising a mass picket of more than 3.

Anonymous said...

Hey! It's OUR Grand General Secretary everyone! A union official who - is clearly so busy fighting for his members - that he has time to surf the internet and put up postings both on UAF, Stormfront and any where that he can pimp his self righteous sob stories - or should that be slob stories?

Here he is on the post above -

"Pat Harrington has the support of the vast majority of members of our Union. You accuse him of all kinds of things yet as you admit the authorities find nothing against him. Hawke and Potter even withdrew some of their allegations (albeit grudgingly). I look forward to Pat Harrington pursuing those who have made and published false allegations and ensuring they are properly punished."

Cor blimey, this man just loves to punish! A bit like his ex-wife then who was into bondage and whipping big time and seemed to make a jolly good living at it too - according to the capitalist press.

The fact is that- according to the research done by UAF in their article above shows - the authorties have been buraucratically slow to investigate the unlawful acts of harrington and griffin. It's clear from the material that has been set out here on Lancs UAF that the Solidarity take over was illegal and unprecedented. It shows that harrington and griffin;s conduct is pleasing the state. Destroying a potential for a mass nationalist union and using it for profit seems to have done the work of the state and the Left. Since harrington has always been followed by allegations and susipcions of state involevement and supported the IRA and the Loyalists at one time or another, it seems conceivable that harrington is state. But at least he has succeeded in marginalising it and sooner or later it will disappear up griffin's backside (we bet he'll like that!). Keep up the good work General Secretary!

Anonymous said...

Harrington and Griffin clearly acted AGAINST the law, despite all the self-justification that those two crooks croak on about. They have illegally stolen union funds and membership and are operating a false union. Period.

If Harrington acted against the law it is strange that the authorities have taken no action despite many complaints. This can be expalined by a complex conspiracy theory or by the fact that there is a difference between making a wild allegation and making an effective complaint. There is simply no evidence to suggest that Harrington has done anything illegal. He has patiently answered all the allegations from the coup plotters who now appear to have admitted defeat.

As to him being delusional - his predictions seem to have been pretty much borne out. Now LUAF is predicting that Solidarity will not last a year. See you next year on that one! Given the accuracy of your earlier predictions on the subject I wouldn't put any money on it!

Hawke and Potter have admitted defeat. It's not that they have no money for court action - they have no case. The only question now is what our leadership will do to them. Those who have argued for mercy should read their posts displaying their continued arrogance and defiance of the will of our brotherhood. They must be made an example of.

BTW - the conceit from Mr Hawke (his spelling and grammar in unique) that every post in suppport of our Brotherhood is written by Pat Harrington is very funny. He is busy representing our members at grievances and disciplinaries and recruiting new members. He leaves dealing with the vermin to others.

Anonymous said...

Since harrington has always been followed by allegations and susipcions of state involevement and supported the IRA and the Loyalists at one time or another, it seems conceivable that harrington is state.

Well there we go "allegations" and "suspicions". Certainly looks like a strong case to me. No need for argument or evidence.

Anonymous said...

anon said....in defiance of the will of our BROTHERHOOD, its a brotherhood now is it? dicky will be so upset his thigh high boots go smashing with a skirt, but it just dont do it with trousers.

Anonymous said...

anon said.....they must be made an example of...here we go again more punishment, ok lads stand against the wall while we shoot.....what a bunch

Anonymous said...

All those who wish to see the end of the Solidarity union should make their voice heard in the only way possible by contacting the Certification Office, the regulatory body responsible for trade unions. Why they haven't acted before now to squash this corrupt BNP union is beyond me. Complaints should be addressed to the Certification Office concerning the politicised BNP nature of the union, its mishandling of money and fraud, its use of the copyright Polish Solidarnosc logo, its takeover by Nick Griffin of the BNP against its constitution and the seemingly unlawful EGM that Harrington and Griffin staged, the illegal accounts that they have and the fact that there are now two Solidarities in existence - a complete farce in trade union history. Will the real Solidarity please stand up?

Complainants who wish to see justice and to see the end of this squalid affair and to see Harrington/Griffin having sand kicked in their faces should contact the Certification Office and ask them to start doing their job properly and to act NOW!

Certification Office
for Trade Unions and Employers' Associations
Brandon House, 180 Borough High Street, London SE1 1LW

Tel: 020 7210 3734 Fax: 020 7210 3612
E-mail: info@certoffice.org

Anonymous said...

Why a 'brotherhood'? Clearly solidarity are sexist as well as racist. If harrington was the liberal he once pretended himself to be (that was before he got into bed with griffin - politically speaking of course) he would call it a sisterhood as well.

Harrington also made this fascist comment -

'He leaves dealing with the vermin to others.'

Is harrington refering to his pal griffin who similarly enjoys 'dealing with vermin'? Wait long enough Mr harrington and your new old pal griffin will be desposing the likes of you as vermin too

Anonymous said...

All those who wish to see the end of the Solidarity union should make their voice heard in the only way possible by contacting the Certification Office, the regulatory body responsible for trade unions. Why they haven't acted before now to squash this corrupt BNP union is beyond me. Complaints should be addressed to the Certification Office concerning the politicised BNP nature of the union, its mishandling of money and fraud, its use of the copyright Polish Solidarnosc logo, its takeover by Nick Griffin of the BNP against its constitution and the seemingly unlawful EGM that Harrington and Griffin staged, the illegal accounts that they have and the fact that there are now two Solidarities in existence - a complete farce in trade union history.

Potter and Hawke beat you to all these and more! You clearly don't understand either the law or the role of the Certification Officer. Waste your time as much as you like.

Anonymous said...

Why a 'brotherhood'? Clearly solidarity are sexist as well as racist. If harrington was the liberal he once pretended himself to be (that was before he got into bed with griffin - politically speaking of course) he would call it a sisterhood as well.

'Brotherhood' is a traditional Union term. In Union use it includes both sexes as in 'Brotherhood of Man'. Two of the seven Executive positions in Solidarity are held by women. This compares well with other Unions. Nor is Solidarity racist. It is open to people from all ethnic backgrounds. Harrington opens most of his speeches with "Sisters and Brothers". Make of that what you will!

Anonymous said...

Is there any legitimate reason why the Certification office is not acting?

Generally they don't get involved in internal disputes. Hawke and Potter should have gone to court if they thought they had a case. They say they haven't got the money. Harrington has obviously had the benefit of legal advice and threw all kinds of arguments and justifications for everything he did in the mix. Basically the struggle is over. Harrington has won. Potter and Hawke have lost.

Anonymous said...

The seven man executive is a complete sham as swell as being illegal.

A post from Stormfront called BritishPatriot a while ago asked harrington some straightforward questions which he resfuses to answer, certainly not diretcly or honestly -

"Re: Latest on Solidarity Trade Union in the UK

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by BritishPatriot
Dear Broken Arrow,
Your posts are spot-on, thank you!

As for Double-Think, I have some final questions.

Dear Double-Think,
According to you, you have the interest of the members of Solidarity at heart, and the union is in your "safe hands". In that case then, please would
you give me straight answers to some straight questions.

Question One
Apart from the individuals listed below who allegedly were at the "EGM" on July 14th:
1) Nick Griffin
2) Bep (your mate who was hosting the Solidary web-site, that enabled YOU to take this over and replace the content written by Tim Hawke with YOUR
content, and enabled you to defame both Tim Hawke and Clive Potter on the official Solidarity web-site at that time)
3)Bep's wife!!! (Errr, hello?)
(As an aside here, it must be obvious to anyone with a brain that these three
above had no place at an "Independent" Trade Union EGM.)
4) Two or three unfortunate others who had been duped into coming to this
EGM so that YOU could appoint them "executives".

So leaving aside those listed above, who were allegedly there, how many
Solidarity Members were actually present at the EGM?

This is a simple question.

Question 2

Out of those members present (answer to Question 1), how many of them
were member of Solidarity (either Founding or Fully Paid Up Members) by February 2007 (i.e. elligible to attend the AGM).

How many of them joined Solidary after February but before June 2007?

How many of them joined Solidarity in June 2007 and before the "EGM" was called?

How many of them joined Solidarity after the "EGM" was called?

This is a more difficult question, because unless you kept a list of those
present with their date of joining, I wouldn't expect you to know this off the
top of your head, so a rough estimate should be OK (after all, you must have
some idea of who you knew and who you didn't before the "EGM" and if a number of people joined just before).

So those are two straight questions I'd like straight answers to please (with that qualifier that I've given you for Question 2).

I'm interested to hear the reply to my questions.

Thank you.

British Patriot

Double-Think,
I asked you these two simple questions on 24th July.
It is now 12th September and I see you have not been able to, or will not, answer them.
B.P."


DoubleThink is harrington's name as an internet warrior (just one of several that he uses to hide behind to praise himself - almost a form of internet masturbation).

harrington has refused to answer diurectly and instead posted a comment from one of his identitys called ComnpletelyWank (sorry, meant CompletelyBlank, which is probably the state of harrington's mind whjen he is asked directly a question concerning his honesty or about the legality and ethicality of his theft of the solidarity union.

"Re: Latest on Solidarity Trade Union in the UK

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by BritishPatriot
Double-Think,
I asked you these two simple questions on 24th July.
It is now 12th September and I see you have not been able to, or will not, answer them.
B.P.

I expect that Doublethink - Patrick Harrington - is too busy representing the interests of union members to post extensively on this forum. There's been a lot going on over the past few months!

Regarding the special meeting, you had the right to attend. You had notice of the meeting. You could have been there and known for yourself. You did not. Too bad. All who were present were Solidarity members who had to produce membership cards and ID to security before they were redirected to the meeting place. That's all there is to it."


As you can see anyone with any intelligence and personal ethics can se that harrington is nrunning scared and perefrs to issue stupid points that do not answer the questions.

As a duplicitious and untrustworthy fascist infiltrator will harrington stand up and answer those questions that were put to him?

PS the fact is that it doesn';t matter how many women are on his sham "executive" the fact is that it only exists in harrington's devious mind. It has no basis in law or the union's constitution. It might as well a shaver mickey mouse on it for all the law's concerned (but I don't know if griffin is tgoo musy dealing with all those "vermin" in his own party let alone a union.

Keep up the good work general secreatary!

Anonymous said...

anon...enjoyed your quotes from brit patriot, but to call harrington an internet warrior, thats the best joke ive heard all weekend.

while i can understand your posting of the questions lets face it they will go right over his head too many long words (anything with more than 4 letters in is too long for him and any knuckledragger.

Anonymous said...

'British Patriot' is not even a member of Solidarity. Why should any of our officials answer questions from her/him on a Nazi forum?

CompletelyBlank is not Harrington.

Anonymous said...

Tim Hawke said:-
the fact is that it doesn';t matter how many women are on his sham "executive" the fact is that it only exists in harrington's devious mind. It has no basis in law or the union's constitution.

The Executive of Solidarity exists whether you recognise it or not. Everyone else is dealing with it so it matters not a jot. The Executive is making decisions and does not require the approval of traitors and wreckers like you.

Anonymous said...

"ith", "sewek", "wasbult", "thsoe", "perefrs", "ethicality"

Tim is certainly expanding the English language. Officials must be very impressed when they get a letter from him.

Anonymous said...

Harrington above (or a Harrington clone) said why should officials of solidarity respond to him/her on a nazi forum?

The answer is that harrington - in a number of dusguises including Double|Think - is a regular contributor and on earlier postings about Solidareity (which can be viewed on the Nazi forum Stormfront bt the way) he talks a lot about himself amd enters into debate with others about solidarity and why he took it over with griffin.

Methinks Comrade harrington is aborn again hippocrit. Why does he post on nazi forums when he accuses others of being nazi, or red, and when his fuhrer griffin has made the site proscribed for theBNP? Harrington must be either a fascist, liberal chamealeon or a hippocrit who has no principles so long as he getting money and power and status from whoever he is pimping from.

Oh, mustn't forget to remind mr harrington again - you still haven't answered the questions that you failed to answer twice on stormfront posted by someone with whom you were debating, or on the left-wing forum of UAF.

Clearly the only debate that harrington ishes to get involved with is a mass debate with pal griffin and new BNP chums.

Anonymous said...

I've just been checking out Solidarity 2 (that's the one Pat Harrington took over) and it seems as if they are instructing their members to support the CWU over the postal strike.

If Solidarity thinks it can crawl to the unions so that they can join the TUC club then they have a long wait ahead. BNP fronts like Solidarity are not wanted. Stay out of union affairs Patrick Harrington and keep to your dead-beat Third Way group/National Liberal Party. You're going nowhere and you're not wanted.

By the way, this is what Patrick Harrington had to say about the CWU leadership:

"It is important that we do the right thing and support our Brothers Just fight even if their leadership is corrupt."

That's a bit rich coming from Harrington when Solidarity's leadership is so corrupt that it stole its own union and all the funds and members!

Thw words "pot", "kettle" and "black" come to mind.

Anonymous said...

If Solidarity thinks it can crawl to the unions so that they can join the TUC club then they have a long wait ahead

Solidarity has made it clear that it is not interested in joining the TUC and the TUC scabs have made their views on Solidarity clear also.

Anonymous said...

"chamealeon, dusguises, Solidareity, hippocrit, ishes"

Why doesn't this loser spend time with a dictionary instead of posting his garbled, bitter and twisted messages here? Hawke can't even spell the name of the Union he wants to lead correctly! Perhaps politics (involving communication as it does) is not for him?

Anonymous said...

Solidarity's leadership is so corrupt that it stole its own union and all the funds and members!

How can you steal something that is yours in the first place? The members decide ultimately who our leaders are and they clearly don't want losers like Potter and Hawke. Our members aren't a physical object to be stolen they make up their own minds who to support.

The CWU has lavished money on the new Labour baby killers and got nothing in return expect jobs for (some of) the boys. All that money wasted and still privatisation steams ahead. Maybe they are not corrupt perhaps they are just stupid.

Anonymous said...

will harrington stand up and answer those questions that were put to him?

Why should our General Secretary give statistical information on attendance at an EGM or Special Meeting to a non-member? What is the point of these questions? Why should he waste his time answering them? If the traitors had any courage they would have attended the meeting and wouldn't have to make noises off. The cowards don't like meeting loyal Solidarity members or real Nationalists. They prefer to moan and whine to State officials who are as bored with them as we are. Harrington can treat you as he pleases, you have no power and are due no respect.

Anonymous said...

The loser here is harrington.

Why doesn't harrington stop wasting his time cruising round the internet forums looking for anything tat attacks or ridicules him? The man has such an ego that constantly needs it being attended too.

Anyway, the last word on this must be...

WHEN IS HARRINGTON GOING TO HONESTLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT SOLIDARITY ABOVE, THE ONES WHERE HE HAS BEEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES BY VARIOUS PEOPLE?

Anonymous said...

As Tim Hawke has never explained why Pat Harrington should answer any questions from him or give him any consideration I expect the answer will be "never".

I have a few questions for Tim though:-

Where does he see his fake Solidarity going when it has no political support, can't afford to post out bulletins and is despised by the vast majority of Solidarity members?

Why didn't Tim and his vast band of supporters attend the EGM and argue their case before the membership?

Will Tim be standing in the elections to the Solidarity executive?

Who is Craig Mullen? Apart from you and Clive Potter did anyone else say they wanted him to call himself General Secretary of Solidarity?


On another point using CAPS and claiming the last word in a debate is very arrogant. We are entitled to defend our Union and General Secretary. We're also entitled to express support for the Postal Strikes as we have members who work there and we use postal services. Unlike the TUC we don't favour scabbing!

Anonymous said...

I am sure 'brother' pat is perfectly capable of defending himself from perfectly reasonable criticism and pertient questions ( even when he cannot face the truth).

Brother pat (or one of his alias) says -

"I have a few questions for Tim though:-

Where does he see his fake Solidarity going when it has no political support, can't afford to post out bulletins and is despised by the vast majority of Solidarity members?

Why didn't Tim and his vast band of supporters attend the EGM and argue their case before the membership?

Will Tim be standing in the elections to the Solidarity executive?

Who is Craig Mullen? Apart from you and Clive Potter did anyone else say they wanted him to call himself General Secretary of Solidarity?"

Real Solidarity (that's the Solidarity 1, the one that existed before pat harrington stole it with his mentor nick griffin, making a false solidarity called solidarity 2) has many people, both inside the overall union membership and outside who are horrified and appalled at the way that pat harrington and nick griffin STOLE the union, its funds and members. This is known in comnmon parlance messrs harrington and griffin as THEFT. The virtual world that harrington lives in, where he acts out his masturbational fantasies of being self-important and running with the top dogs like fellow union leaders and nick griffin, does not seem to accept that both harrington and griffin are reviled by many people, both within solidarity, in the NORMAL world (outside of Harrington's World) and increasngly within the ranks of the BNP where people are seeing through the lies and thievery of griffin and his dogs. It is mr harrington who is despised by the majority of the solidarity members he lied to and then stole their memberships.Regarding bulletinms, mr harrington is perfectly correct here - solidarity 1 (the real solidarity) cannot post out any . That's cos harrington has stolen all the mopney. What's it like being a thief, conniving liar and con-mercharnt? (no I am not referring to griffin at this moment , just to mr harrington).

Mr hawke and mr potter did not attend the fake 'EGM' set up at mr harrington's connivance for the simple raeson that it was UNLAWFUL. It was not recognsied by the executive or the constitution. It was a sham meeting that has no legitimacy. Btw, remember those questions from the nazi stormfront forum and from the UAF site, all asking you about your illegal little 'EGM'. That's right, they're all pertinent questions that mr harrington should have the moral courage (has he gor any?) and honesty (ha ha!) to answer. Not an easy road is it mr harrington...you know, the road to truth and honesty?

As for standing in the elections the only union elections will be those run by real solidarity (that's No 1) and not fake elections run by a sham union led by a fake general secretatry, who stole the union from its members as a gift for his mentor nick griffin.

As far as "who is craig mullen", well, mr harrington should know - he's an actual member and has been for a long time ( shows how much harrington knows of his actual memebership). Mr mullen is merely an ACTING gen sec, and once elections have been undertaken he will stand alongisde any other legitimate candidates to be voted on (that of course doesn't include harrington who was, of course, expelled for gross misconduct, misappropriation of union funds, and not complying with a union investigation, leading ultimately to the wholesale theft of the union through mr griffin of the BNP). Pat harrington is no longer a member and will never be again as a result of his wholly unaccepatable and outrageous misconduct towards the union and its members.

Now, mr harrington - when are you going to get real with the truth and start answering those questions?

Anonymous said...

Regarding bulletinms, mr harrington is perfectly correct here - solidarity 1 (the real solidarity) cannot post out any . That's cos harrington has stolen all the mopney.

As you can't afford to post out a bulletin and don't have a complete membership list how do you propose to pay for and run elections? What were you saying about living in a fantasy?

Anonymous said...

Mr mullen is merely an ACTING gen sec, and once elections have been undertaken he will stand alongisde any other legitimate candidates

He certainly is 'ACTING', very theatrical, but no one (other than your dwindling band of sad losers) takes instructions from him and on your own account you have no resources! To say that he is a member doesn't tell us much more about Mr Mullen. Is there a reason for the lack of information on your new dupe? Hope you told him that he would eventually suffer the same legal consequences as you by taking this poisoned chalice!

Of course he wouldn't stand against Pat Harrington in a fair election - he knows he would only suffer further embarassment. You know that Pat Harrington has the support of the overwhelming majority of Solidarity members - that is why you have never sought to put this matter before them for decision. Why didn't you call a Special Meeting? Why didn't you put it to a general vote? You are fooling no one except yourself.

Our disgraced Ex-Vice President, Tim Hawke, persists with his wild and unsubstantiated stream of allegations. No objective person takes him seriously.

Anonymous said...

Tim Hawke now presents himself as anti-BNP but he signed Nick Griffin up as a member of Solidarity. He was happy to accept his support up till when the BNP refused to back his coup. He is just a liar. He begged Nick Griffin for support but now he is acting like a spurned lover!

Anonymous said...

Tim hawke is certainly not 'in disgrace'. Mr harrington IS in disgrace after being expelled from the union. Mr hawke is a legitimate vice president of solidarity. Mr harrington is not a legitimate general secretary.Mr harrington was expelled for gross misconduct.

Anonymous said -

"Of course he wouldn't stand against Pat Harrington in a fair election - he knows he would only suffer further embarassment. You know that Pat Harrington has the support of the overwhelming majority of Solidarity members - that is why you have never sought to put this matter before them for decision. Why didn't you call a Special Meeting? Why didn't you put it to a general vote? You are fooling no one except yourself."

Since pat harrington has been expelled from solidarity for life of course mr mullen would not be standing against mr harrington, though if mr harrington was still a member then no doubt mr mullen would stand against him if he chose to. That choice would be up to mr mullen and mr mullen's alone.

Mr harrington believes himself to have the "overwhelming" support of solidarity members. How has he arrived at this fantasy? By calling a sham 'EGM' that was rigged by harrington and griffin and attended by only a handful of members, some of them who were NOT members, and a rigged 'consultation' exrecise beforehand. The type of thing that harrington and griffin are used to from their days in the NF.

As far as i am aware the decision to call a special meeting is up to the executive. If they felt like calling one they would no doubt do so. In the meantime they will no doubt call for elections before february next year. Then the members can choose who they want in on their exec.

Anonymous said...

'Real Solidarity (that's the Solidarity 1, the one that existed before pat harrington stole it with his mentor nick griffin, making a false solidarity called solidarity 2'

If Solidarity 2 is false how can it be theft unless the poster is saying that Solidarity 1 does not now exist because no.2 has ursurped and destroyed it? A fake copy is not an example of theft any more than a copy of the Mona Lisa is evidence of a theft from the Louvre. Which is it?

Anonymous said...

Good question anonymous. Solidarity 1 was hijacked by Pat Harrington in conjunction with Nick Griffin in June of this year when the Union Executive made moves to suspend harrington for serious allegations. Harrington ddid not co=operate with the investigation, and in the meantime ( according to eyewitness reports) Harrington and Griffin had already made their plans to Potter and Hawke refused to countenance any sort of corruption or moral deviancy. Griffin hijacked the website and Harrington usurped the funds and created a false PO box and stole the membership list. Griffin ensured that literature that had been produced for solidarity through the BNP was taken away and given over to harrington. The Certification Office has seemingly - according to reports seen - recognised potter and hawke as legitimate execs and the head office as the original one.Potter and Hawke seem to have been left as mere legitimate execs with a paper membership only and runninga ghost union in effect, although both legally and morally they run the union and its membership. They seem to be trying to continue operating, assisting members and campaigning on one or two issues, and issuing bulletins but it is the union that was hijacked by Harrington/Griffin that seems to have the power, even though it iss illegimate.

So to answer your question I would suggest that the so-called 'Solidarity 2' is a stolen entity that has no legal or moral legitimacy.

To use your example I would tend to think that 'Solidraity 2' is the stolen Mona Lisa from the Louvre, now in the possession of Harrington and Griffin, who are exhibiting it across art galleries and making money from it, whilst Potter and Hawke are just left with the owners certificate to the painting.

Completely Blank said...

There is only one Solidarity union. Hawke and Potter's attempted coup d'etat failed. They could not make their allegations against Harrington stick. Potter and Hawke remain on the EC alongside Harrrington and the newer members: Clarke, Kerr, Walker and Niewhof. Hawke and Potter may delude themselves that they and their new friend are the real EC but the membership knows differently.

The Certification Officer seems to have taken the view that the union's officials should sort things out among themselves and the wilder accusations bandied about on Stormfront and on this blog have no foundation. Well, it is going to be sorted out. A full election of officebearers has been announced. Nominations are open. Hawke and Potter have their opportunity to show that they have the confidence of the members by putting themselves forward. Let's see what happens.

I'll happily nominate either of them - just as log as they don't expect to get my vote in the actual election.

Anonymous said...

The Certification Office has seemingly - according to reports seen - recognised potter and hawke as legitimate execs and the head office as the original one.Potter and Hawke seem to have been left as mere legitimate execs with a paper membership only and runninga ghost union in effect, although both legally and morally they run the union and its membership. They seem to be trying to continue operating, assisting members and campaigning on one or two issues, and issuing bulletins but it is the union that was hijacked by Harrington/Griffin that seems to have the power, even though it iss illegimate.

The Certification Office have in fact declined to get involved and not backed Hawke and Potter at all. They sensibly take the view that it is up to the membership to decide who they want running their Union!

As for morality and legality Hawke and Potter have tried to go beyond the powers given to them under our Constitution and defy the will of our members. Two people don't own our Union - it belongs to the membership.

As for Hawke and Potter issuing bulletins they can only do so by email to people who have not requested them (spam). They can't afford stamps. They don't have a complete membership list and have done very little except post criticisms of our General Secretary Pat Harrington on their poorly designed and illiterate website. Pat Harrington has largley ignored them and continued his real work representing our members.

They are paying their membership dues to accounts controlled by our real leadership. Thanks for the £5 a month boys. Perhaps money from them and their supporters should be set aside in a special laptop fund for our GS?

Anonymous said...

To use your example I would tend to think that 'Solidraity 2' is the stolen Mona Lisa from the Louvre, now in the possession of Harrington and Griffin, who are exhibiting it across art galleries and making money from it, whilst Potter and Hawke are just left with the owners certificate to the painting.

I had to chuckle at the above. They do say that possession is nine-tenths of the law. I think i'll move onto more pertinant threads and leave Solidarity 1, 2 or 3 alone until further noice.

Anonymous said...

Completely Wank above comes out with the same old delusions, that if you repeat the same lie often enough then it becomes true.

Unlike Completely Wank or any other incarnation of harrington and his alter ego this isn't Alice in Wonderland where if you repeat something three times before breakfast it becomes true.

The sad fact for harrington and his pathetic dupes is this: the only "coup d'etat" was harrington's when he avoided being constitutionally disciplined for gross miscoduct and fiancial irregularities.

Harrington hijacked the union with nick griffin, along with its membership, website and funds.

There IS only one solidarity union - and that's the one that by rights lies with potter and hawke who were elected by the union's membership, yet has been stolen by harrington and griffin.

Harrington has no face to be brought to account and to show where the money he has failed to show proper receipts went.

The sham election by harrington and his bunch of dupes has no foundation in either the union's constitution or the law. It is simply an absurd exercise by harrington to try and legitimise his theft of the union.

The only people it fools are harrington's dupes and the die-hard griffinite cock-suckers who see no evil or wrongdoing from the man and deny what is going on within the BNP.

The forthcoming solidarity elections prove nothing, except the duplicity and infantile machievallian tactics of a post-fascist punk, a man who possesses no principle, no morals and no reason.

Anonymous said...

"They do say that possession is nine-tenths of the law. "

According to this form of reasoning does that make it right, both legally AND morally, for a thief to steal from the legitimate owner?

In that case please identify yourself so that I can surreptiously steal your wallet and keep it.

I'm sure someone as amoral as you ( are you SURE you're not another harrington clone???) would be the first to go squealing to the police about theft.

Anonymous said...

"Pat Harrington has largley ignored them and continued his real work representing our members."

Which is why he continues to surf forums and blogs as all good General Secretaries of legitimate trade unions do constantly checking for any mention of his name.

Anonymous said...

"Perhaps money from them and their supporters should be set aside in a special laptop fund for our GS?"

No need to. I'm sure Pat Harrington has already brought a laptop for himself from out of union funds. After all, that was the issue that led to the hijacking of the Union - Harrington's demand for a laptop, paid for from members funds and for which his boss Nick Griffin tried to intimidate the Union Executive into giving him one.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said the following:

As for morality and legality Hawke and Potter have tried to go beyond the powers given to them under our Constitution and defy the will of our members. Two people don't own our Union - it belongs to the membership.

What does Pat Harrington know about morality and legality? Those two words are alien to the man's lexicon.

Potter and Hawke did not go beyond the powers given to them by the membership. Anyone who can read can view the Solidraity Constitution on-line and see that they acted according to the union's constitution.

It's the members who own the union Mr Harrington, members who gave the leadership to the Executive. Harrington defied the constitution and the executive and had to go. Harrington is only in control of the union by force of his devious, manipulative, lying sleazeball of the dictator known as Nick Griffin.The membership were never consulted by harrington in his coup d'etat. The union most certainly does not belong to Harrington, who stole it to escape a censure that arose from his misconduct and misappropriation of union funds.

Anonymous said...

No need to. I'm sure Pat Harrington has already brought a laptop for himself from out of union funds. After all, that was the issue that led to the hijacking of the Union - Harrington's demand for a laptop...

If true then Potter and Hawke are absolute buffoons to pick a fight over a practical request. I don't believe there was any mispproriation of funds(even admitted by Potter on his website if you recall) just an accusation that the accounts required more back-up info which Harrington says he offered. Clearly a pretextural excuse to discredit Harrington and one used by 'establishments' to blackball those whose 'face doesn't fit' (this time for political reasons) the world over.

Completely Blank said...

Anonymous said...

Completely Wank above comes out with the same old delusions, that if you repeat the same lie often enough then it becomes true.

Unlike Completely Wank or any other incarnation of harrington and his alter ego this isn't Alice in Wonderland where if you repeat something three times before breakfast it becomes true.

The sad fact for harrington and his pathetic dupes is this: the only "coup d'etat" was harrington's when he avoided being constitutionally disciplined for gross miscoduct and fiancial irregularities.

Harrington hijacked the union with nick griffin, along with its membership, website and funds.

There IS only one solidarity union - and that's the one that by rights lies with potter and hawke who were elected by the union's membership, yet has been stolen by harrington and griffin.

Harrington has no face to be brought to account and to show where the money he has failed to show proper receipts went.

The sham election by harrington and his bunch of dupes has no foundation in either the union's constitution or the law. It is simply an absurd exercise by harrington to try and legitimise his theft of the union.

The only people it fools are harrington's dupes and the die-hard griffinite cock-suckers who see no evil or wrongdoing from the man and deny what is going on within the BNP.

The forthcoming solidarity elections prove nothing, except the duplicity and infantile machievallian tactics of a post-fascist punk, a man who possesses no principle, no morals and no reason.


Nice line in abuse, 'Anonymous'. I suppose it's all you have as you're right out of believable arguments.

I repeat my litany because your mendacity needs to be exposed. Harrington didn't go quietly when Hawke and Potter engineered their attempted coup. It was a manoeuvre that failed so they tried to cover up with faked minutes that in small details contradicted letters and emails sent to Harrington. Even Searchlight noticed that they announced Harrington's purported 'expulsion' a week before they voted on it.

Sorry but you've got me all wrong. You seem to think that Harrington is omnipresent; that he is sitting at all hours of the day and night under a multiplicity of identities to respond to your nonsense and that I'm one of his alter-egoes. I'm afraid not. I'm not Harrington. I am one of what you'd call his dupes. I'm one of the members you think he hijacked from Hawke and Potter, together with the monthly dues I am happy to pay.

The AGM vote - remember that? - was only taken by those present at that meeting - not the full membership. The then EC was voted in to take care of things until proper elections were arranged later in the year in accordance with statute law.

These elections have been arranged. You still have until Saturday to get your nomination in. There will be an independent scrutineer as required by statute law. If you genuinely think that Harrington has hijacked the union and that the members will back you, you can stand for office and see if the members agree with you.

You're not afraid of the verdict of the membership, are you?

Anonymous said...

Harrington is only in control of the union by force of his devious, manipulative, lying sleazeball of the dictator known as Nick Griffin.

Poor Tim. He used to think so highly of Mr Griffin. Now he has been spurned. Hell hath no fury...

Anonymous said...

The sham election by harrington and his bunch of dupes has no foundation in either the union's constitution or the law.

Go to court then.
We will see you there.

Anonymous said...

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