Alby Walker and Porky Griffin in happier timesMr Walker will stand as an independent parliamentary candidate in Stoke-on-Trent Central and face the BNP's national deputy leader, Simon Darby. Mr Darby said the chances of Mr Walker becoming an independent MP for Stoke-on-Trent "are zero".
Mr Darby said: "It should be obvious to everybody that this is somebody who's a bit disillusioned with the party, as many people within other parties become disillusioned, struck out for themselves and want to become an independent candidate."
Mr Walker told the BBC's Politics Show in the West Midlands: "There's a vein of Holocaust denying within the BNP that I cannot identify myself with. They've still got senior members of the BNP who will be candidates in the general election that have Nazi, Nazi-esque sympathies."
Mr Walker had been in the BNP for eight years and was leader of the group of nine BNP councillors on Stoke-on-Trent City Council until he quit in January.
BBC
33 comments:
You cannot be in the BNP for eight years and not be a racist
Not at all an uncommon reason for people to leave the BNP. I have met quite a few people who found the BNP to be along way from the party they thought they were joining. I expect there membership turnover would back this theory up.
The Pope's a Catholic.
Bears shit in the woods.
Snow is cold.
"Alby Walker said "there's a vein of Holocaust denying within the BNP"."
Jeez....It only took him this long to work that out?!
Bring on the dark mutterings from the BNP groupies that Walker has been got to by the "Zionists" and is a paid agent of 'our secret rulers from New York/Tel Aviv'!!!
"I expect there membership turnover would back this theory up."
Yes, They have always been a 'revolving door' in terms of membership. Compare the leaked membership lists from a few years apart. Relatively few names appear on both.
You idiots, we tried to get rid of Abe (Abraham) Walker once we uncovered that his mother was from eastern Europe in the 1930s. He didn't tick the right boxes and had to go. He wasnt fit for serving our master plan.
We need only native (Welsh of course) landowners no matter how fat they are and how much they have their porcine (aristocratic indigenous) snouts in the EU trough.
He is racist for being in the BNP for so long ,only money changers racists to pretend there not,like magic all off a sudden.
Why is his wife still a councillor for the BNP?
Alby must be kicking himself for inviting Darby to stand in the GE and then offering his services as agent...or did that not happen, according to Darby?
All is not happy aboard the BNP ship, this has just been posted on Darby's blog.
'As for Alby, it turns out that he has just been given a directorship, fat salary and a brand new car from a Stoke-based windows company. This firm handles a large amount of contracts with various councils across the country.'
Watch Walker slag off the BNP and Griffin.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/regions/west_midlands/8578858.stm
The charges against Tommy Robinson have been dropped.
The EDL are thinking of holding a rally in Bristol on the 30th and Sheffield on another date. This is sickening as being the centre of the slave trade in Britain, it must never ever welcome back racism.
Extremely worried!!!!
Hope it's not true!!!!!!
Tommy Robinson has got off the charges.
The EDL are indeed state.
"You cannot be in the BNP for eight years and not be a racist"
Not necessarily. There are a number of factors which draw ordinary, never previously political and certainly never racist people towards the BNP.
In my case ( I did a few years in the party) it was a perception of a government that had lost control of immigration, was treating non-whites better than whites (instead of equals) and a general perception of a leftist conspiracy to destroy British traditions, break up the union and ultimately to banish white people from Britain and maybe even the world altogether...and so on. (Although belief in this last conspiracy was intensified by over-exposure to the paranoid thoughts of other party members).
Now I never desired an all-white Britain. I never backed a complete halt to immigration and I certainly never supported any suggestion of compulsory repatriation, banning of mixed-race marriages or the idea that non-whites could never be British and were inferior to whites.
I saw the BNP as the only party willing to put many of these issues on the political agenda and I saw the likes of Lib/Lab/Con trying to conceal them.
I (perhaps naively) believed I could help transform the BNP from a racist party into a credbile, non-racist, alternative party, particlularly for the working class of any colour. (I constantly pushed for admittance of non-whites as members).
The first thing I realised was that the party is simply Griffin's cash cow and he will never relinquish control and therefore will always further his own personal agenda and that of the similar racists at the top of the party, rather than listen to what other members think.
Secondly, I conducted my own research into how (if) immigration benefits Britain and I concluded that Britain benefits enormously - not least after I visited a number of poorer European countries and saw that their low standard of living is simply down to the fact they have small populations with little hope of generating wealth (through tax and investment) sufficient enough to raise living standards. And also, because of their economic situation, people did not want to emigrate to these countries, further compounded this problem.
This is in contrast to Britain - very wealthy, very prosperous and with a potentially bright future - where people from all over the world want to come. This is something we should be proud of and welcome.
Before I joined the BNP, I, like many other people wrote to my MP expressing concerns about immigration only to be told it is not a major issue and that it is simply being used by racists to further their own aims.
Why didn't my MP give me facts and figures showing the benefits or better still, put me in touch with people who could show me the benefits of immigration?
I also conducted my own studies into attitudes of non-whites towards white Brits and found that despite the problems of history and race relations issues today, there is no hidden animosity that seeks revenge and conquest. People simply want to live in a fair society and get on with their own lives. There has never been a better chance in Britain for people of different races and cultures to live together harmoniously. And I am as sincere and genuine about all this as you are sitting reading it!
Now, does this sound like somebody who 'must be racist because they did a few years in the BNP'?
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth! You would do well to speak to ex-BNP members and found out not why they joined but why they eventually left. You could have some very powerful propaganda at your disposal.
Treating them as just another racist is wrong and potentially a big mistake.
"He didn't tick the right boxes and had to go. He wasnt fit for serving our master plan."
And isn't Nick 'Porky Pig' Griffin himself of part Romany Gipsy blood? The Romanies, like the Jews, were at the top of the Nazi's hate list and they murdered hundreds of thousands of them.
The Nazis had complex (and weird) tests to test "racial purity" and these involved measuring facial features for proportionally, considering eye and hair colour (the lighter the better)and looking deep into an individual's family background. To quote SS leader Himmler, "One drop of 'degenerate' blood in a person's system is there forever, it can never be erased".
From studying photos of, among others, Collett, 'Wigan' Mike and Griffin, I reckon most British 'Nationalists' would fail these tests miserably!
"You cannot be in the BNP for eight years and not be a racist"
Your reply..........
"Not necessarily. There are a number of factors which draw ordinary, never previously political and certainly never racist people towards the BNP."
Thank you for the concise and honest answer, however, if I joined an organisation that banned non whites, had colour as their main agenda, spent their time discriminating against minorities whose skin colour was different, allowed immigrants to join as long as they had white skin, had a reputation for holocaust denial, had the upper echelons of the party with a reputation for nazi admiration,criminal records for racism etc etc etc, then perhaps I MAY HAVE concluded that this was not the party for me if I didn't have racist tendancies.
I would assume I would discover this a little quicker than a few years!!!!!
As for Walker?? 8 Years??
Jesus wept
"You cannot be in the BNP for eight years and not be a racist"
Not necessarily. There are a number of factors which draw ordinary, never previously political and certainly never racist people towards the BNP.
excellent piece and very true.
from another ex bnp supporter
"Treating them as just another racist is wrong and potentially a big mistake"
I thought that once. For a few seconds. Then decided it's a load of balls.
If you made a mistake and then changed your mind and are now doing something about it then fair enough but it was still your mistake.
There are no good excuses in these days of information, where you can research what you are getting into, for supporting The BNP. No excuses.
Treating BNP supporters as if they are poor decent disillusioned white working class people is perpetuating the myth that The BNP is about supporting the ordinary. Plenty of decent people do not vote for The BNP, regardless of how disillusioned they are with other parties.
I for one have had lots of incidents in my life where I could have taken on The BNP's blame culture. I didn't because I'm not an ignorant idiot.
No excuses.
The main Gripe with Albi and 100's more BNP members is the fact that Gr££in and Darby are robbing the members on a daily basis their bank accounts are swelling whilst members are expected to keep giving their cash to these robbing SWINES. The FRAUD SQUAD needs to be brought in to investigate where all the monies been going******
Why is Clive Jefferson the Cumbrian Drug dealer being paid wages for assisting Nick Griffin MEP. North West Tax Payers have a right to know WHY!!!!!!!??
"From studying photos of, among others, Collett, 'Wigan' Mike and Griffin, I reckon most British 'Nationalists' would fail these tests miserably!"
Studying photos of people to find out their genetic ancestory? It doesn't work like that. That sort of thing can only serve to perpetuate BNP myths about genetics and race.
Not necessarily. There are a number of factors which draw ordinary, never previously political and certainly never racist people towards the BNP.
In my case ( I did a few years in the party) it was a perception of a government that had lost control of immigration, was treating non-whites better than whites (instead of equals) and a general perception of a leftist conspiracy to destroy British traditions, break up the union and ultimately to banish white people from Britain and maybe even the world altogether...and so on. (Although belief in this last conspiracy was intensified by over-exposure to the paranoid thoughts of other party members).
Now I never desired an all-white Britain. I never backed a complete halt to immigration and I certainly never supported any suggestion of compulsory repatriation, banning of mixed-race marriages or the idea that non-whites could never be British and were inferior to whites.
I saw the BNP as the only party willing to put many of these issues on the political agenda and I saw the likes of Lib/Lab/Con trying to conceal them.
I (perhaps naively) believed I could help transform the BNP from a racist party into a credbile, non-racist, alternative party, particlularly for the working class of any colour. (I constantly pushed for admittance of non-whites as members).
The first thing I realised was that the party is simply Griffin's cash cow and he will never relinquish control and therefore will always further his own personal agenda and that of the similar racists at the top of the party, rather than listen to what other members think.
Secondly, I conducted my own research into how (if) immigration benefits Britain and I concluded that Britain benefits enormously - not least after I visited a number of poorer European countries and saw that their low standard of living is simply down to the fact they have small populations with little hope of generating wealth (through tax and investment) sufficient enough to raise living standards. And also, because of their economic situation, people did not want to emigrate to these countries, further compounded this problem.
This is in contrast to Britain - very wealthy, very prosperous and with a potentially bright future - where people from all over the world want to come. This is something we should be proud of and welcome.
Before I joined the BNP, I, like many other people wrote to my MP expressing concerns about immigration only to be told it is not a major issue and that it is simply being used by racists to further their own aims.
Why didn't my MP give me facts and figures showing the benefits or better still, put me in touch with people who could show me the benefits of immigration?
I also conducted my own studies into attitudes of non-whites towards white Brits and found that despite the problems of history and race relations issues today, there is no hidden animosity that seeks revenge and conquest. People simply want to live in a fair society and get on with their own lives. There has never been a better chance in Britain for people of different races and cultures to live together harmoniously. And I am as sincere and genuine about all this as you are sitting reading it!
Now, does this sound like somebody who 'must be racist because they did a few years in the BNP'?
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth! You would do well to speak to ex-BNP members and found out not why they joined but why they eventually left. You could have some very powerful propaganda at your disposal.
Treating them as just another racist is wrong and potentially a big mistake.
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Alby Walker is now a proper person.
Thanks for your reply IrishTony, and a few other replies.
It's true there's enough information out there to form an opinion about the BNP without actually joining them, although in my case, I wanted to actually hear responses to those accusations from the BNP themselves since people in my town were starting to vote for them and consider joining them before long before I did. After all, I believe in 2 sides to every story. If I wanted to learn about immigrants' contribution to Britain, should I stop at the Daily Mail?
So I managed to get in touch with a local organiser through the website and we eventually met. The first thing I asked was, why don't you let non-whites in? He agreed with me (that they should) but said it is up to the leaders to decide and only by ordinary members pressuring for such a change could it be brought about. I also asked about Griffin's Holocaust denial (which to me was ludicrous) and he also agreed that it was stupid for him to say what he did and that he certainly didn't agree. However, it was local issues that had drawn him to the BNP, not what Griffin said a number of years ago.
I also asked if he (well there were 2 of them) was personally racist and if he wanted an all-white Britain. He said of course not, it's impossible and again, only by joining the BNP and outnumbering the racist cranks, can ordinary people turn it into a proper party for the working class.
You see, it wasn't Griffin or Darby or that maggot Collett that met me, it was the local organiser. He has also long since left after giving up in desperation at the party's wrong direction.
Very true, the party has an awful reputation. But when your own local parties are more like darby and joan clubs, who insist you should not bring up certain issues rather than discussing them and educating people and who expect you to support everything the main party does (I'm talking about Labour here who I voted for for years but I am disgusted at the Afghan and Iraq wars, as well as their support of Israeli oppression of Palestinians), it's very easy to be attracted to a party that does listen and that does agree with you personally.
Being in the BNP does not mean you support or even like Griffin or any of the so-called leaders - our branch rarely had anything to do with them. And you can be in a party that has policies you don't always agree with. After all, the Tories have long been divided over Europe, and did every Labour member support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
After a while though, it becomes apparent that there will never be any change in the BNP, that their outdated policies will always remain in place regardless of how many grassroots members desire a totally new agenda. I left a few years ago (I hope you'll consider that years out of the BNP and a growing hatred for them is a good enough example of not being a racist) so I couldn't really care less what Griffin does with his cash cow. But if we take this latest episode in the party of having to change its constitution to accept non-whites, I would have been very happy at this if I was a member, only to be totally dismayed at Griffin's feet-dragging and reluctance to adhere to the ruling and allow anybody to join. (We all know he simply doesn't want to be around non-whites)
Well, I don't have to convince anybody about not being racist, I know I am not (and yes it might be a cliche now, but my non-white friends know that aswell - the same people who were more shocked than angry when I joined in the first place).
If you can manage to convince the ordinary, non-racist members of the party that the leaders will eventually let them down and will never change (and will slag you from a pig to a dog as well - just like they're doing with this Walker bloke), you might be able to bring about the collapse of the party through a mass exodus.
Lumping them all in as racists and nazis etc, will only make them hate you, and will vindicate the conspiracies and fantasies of Griffin and Co.
Hello Anti-Facsist,
There is now damning evidence of BNP Midlands involvement with the EDL from Stornfront.
Please publish the following article on your blog to let people know what the BNP are up to, plotting race riots to get the BNP votes.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/sheffield/2010/03/447983.html
many Thanks,
No Pasaran!
"Thanks for your reply IrishTony, and a few other replies".
Your frankness and honesty are well appreciated but I am still at a loss.
Just because a regional organiser told you he wasn't racist and didn't agree with Nick Griffin would be enough to set off alarm bells with any rational person.
If he disagreed with the party so much then why was he a member?, worse still an organiser?.
I have lived in the UK for almost 10 years now and have been called Paddy, Mick, all the usual cliches. When I complain I am told its only a bit of fun. I know BNP members in Yorkshire who say calling Asians such names as Paki or Raghead is only in jest They see no offence in calling black people "niggers"
They will tell you they are not racist and if we follow your logic then they must be telling the truth!!.
In your years as a BNP member, did you not watch the TV?
"Young nazi and proud"?
"BNP wives"?
news features?
"Robert Cottage"?
Oxford University"?
"Question Time"?
Although I agree with the concept that this can of worms needs to opened from the inside, I cannot help but think there was either an incredible amount of stupidity or blind indifference on your part for you to stay in the BNP for all those years.
Is there really a rock large enough to live under to not see how odious and evil the BNP really are?.
I do not deny your sincerity and welcome you on board as someone who can expose the BNP and learn not to judge by anyone by their skin colour or country of birth.
one last thing..........
I WILL GLADLY BUY YOU A PINT OR TWO IF WE EVER MEET
"Treating them as just another racist is wrong and potentially a big mistake."
Some of the best anti-fascists were former fascists. I've spoken with these guys and they always have special insights. Throughtout the history of anti-fascism, going back to Italy and Germany in the 30's, some fascists have come over to our side. Our doors should always be open to them and I, for one, value their opinion and advice over some Lefty student with no experience of life.
"That sort of thing can only serve to perpetuate BNP myths about genetics and race."
I realise that I'm being very un-PC but I was only turning the BNP's racist garbage back on themselves. I was making the point that those (the BNP and NF) who drone on about racial purity, the 'evil' of miscegenation, and "bloodlines going back a 1000 years" may not, in fact, live up to their own bullshit if they were to examine their own family histories (the British being one of the most racially mixed nations in all Europe).
I was involved with a racist party for many years, longer than Albi Walker.
I'm not going to pretend I didn't know what it was all about as I was right in the thick of it, one of the leading lights. I was a racist, consciously following and sustaining a racist party. But for whatever reason at a certain point in time I decided that what I was doing was wrong, and I now devote much of my time to trying to warn young people of the dangers of racism and to teach them that there is a better way and that racism sucks.
And yet in doing this I seem to encounter more hostility from "anti-racists" that I do from the racists I have left behind. Some seem positively disappointed that I am no longer a fascist and seem to wish I was. It is like by turning my back on the fascists I have somehow deprived them of a much-needed local bogeyman.
This is isn't true of all anti-racists I would hasten to add, only a vociferous minority. But it is a large enough minority to leave me wondering just what the end game is for some in the anti-racist camp.
Hate is wrong, not hating people on the grounds of their ethnicity is right. So why is it so hard to believe that some who have done bad things in their lives should see the error of their ways and want to do something to redeem themselves and to make up for the unhappiness and misery they have caused?
I don't know whether any of this applies to Albi Walker, I've not seen anything to suggest a major change of heart beyond the fact that, taken at his word, he would appear to have been a bit slow on the uptake where such things as Holocaust denial are concerned.
But if others sincerely want to turn their back on the fascists they should, in my view, be actively encouraged to do so.
A very good contribution from the ex-BNP member - one that should be welcomed, not ridiculed.
We cannot dismiss the growth of the BNP amongst the working class (or so-called white working class) by dismissing every single one as rabid racists. Certainly, I would suggest that BNP newbies must have some questionable views on race to want to join... but then plenty of people in the Labour Party, the Tories, the Lib Dems etc hold racist views.
I am an active anti-racist but I know a few ex-BNP'ers - and they all say much the same thing. They joined because they perceived the BNP as a party for the working class, and left because they realised at leadership level it is awash with fascists, fraudsters and crackpots.
It is no secret that the BNP has grown as the Labour Party has moved further away from representing the working class. They have (partially) filled a vacuum, in the absence of an 'Old Labour' party or a new workers' party.
This demonstrates clearly the need for working-class political representation. It is this and this alone which can cut across the semi-stable base of the BNP, the EDL, the English Democrats etc.
Many choose to support, vote for or even join the BNP because, whilst they recognise the racism and the unsavouriness of the BNP, they also feel that at least the BNP listens to working-class people, and that it is possible to bring the BNP around to a more moderate position - something that the BNP are all too aware of and willing to exploit. It is patently not the case that every single member of the BNP is a Hitler-worshipping fathead (although there are, obviously, a lot of them in there).
The growth of the BNP demonstrates the absence of a working-class political voice and the bankruptcy of the political establishment far more than it demonstrates that a large section of the working class have suddenly become eugenics-obsessed mentalists. Racism is increasing - as it always does when there is huge pressure on resources (jobs, homes, services). The political solution to this isn't to cry Nazi but to build more council houses, create decent jobs, and invest in services - something none of the mainstream parties will do. Instead, the political establishment and the media scapegoat immigrants, the so-called under-class (in reality a post-industrial working class) etc. It is this that feeds racism.
The BNP are a vile party, but they are the consequence of social division, not the cause. As unpalatable as it may be, we need to connect with those who are won over to the BNP more through frustration than ultra-nationalist ideology. We also need to differentiate between the rank fascists evident throughout the party and those who could just as easily have been won over to a pro-working class pro-community left-wing party, had a genuine mass party existed.
So, well done to the ex-BNP contributor for an honest appraisal. The rest of us; take heed and learn.
Thanks again for your reply Tony.
Firstly, I had already left the party by the time BNP wives was shown or during the Robert Cottage, Oxford Uni or Question Time debacles. So they are not things I feel I have to explain.
As for Young Nazi and Proud, I wasn't a member then either, I joined quite a bit after that, although I was told the odious little shit Collett no longer had a role in the party. It turned out of course he was never booted out but I was reassured by the local branch that nobody liked Collett and his days were numbered. Well, it was certainly true that nobody in our branch liked Collett, and not many other branches either, although Collett's continuing rise through the ranks was one of the reasons that led to me eventually turning my back on the BNP, and for good might I add. I'd also like to add that I never met or had any dealings with the cretin.
One thing about our organiser, he was in that position simply because nobdy else wanted to do it, (and there weren't many to choose from anyway) and not because he was somehow a 'better racist' than everybody else. I also asked around about the organiser at the time and found out he was also somebody from a non-political and non-racist background.
I see your point about name calling, although someone who calls black people nigger either is a racist or really needs to re-evaluate their attitude. Either way, they can't really defend themselves against accuastions of racism. Myself, on the other hand can, because I don't use racist terms when referring to people.
As I said earlier, it wasn't stupidity that kept me in the BNP but a belief that I could help change the party into something far better. The branch I was in didn't have racist idiots. They were not welcome. The same cannot be said of all branches but then we never really mixed with other branches, so we didn't know what their members were like. Until of course yet another documentary was aired and people like myself eventually got so fed up with having our hard months of work destroyed in 60 minutes, that I and others left the party.
Was I naive thinking I could help change the party? I didn't think so at the time, although I used to be very cautious of the direction of the party rather than going blindly along with everything. Looking back now, I can see there was naivety, especially when I see how Griffin has treated the party in the years since I left. But life is about learning!
I can honestly say I never was a racist. But if I didn't join the BNP when I did, I might well be one of those floating voters who is considering voting for them now, or maybe even joining. But since I did join, albeit with the best of intentions, I can also honestly say from close-hand experience that in many ways they are not what they say they are, and in many ways they are eveything people think they are. But at least I found that out for myself, from the horse's mouth rather than from a newspaper or a rumour and I can honestly say it's a party and a wider political movement and ideology I feel no attachment to at all and have no desire to ever join again.
Just so there is no misunderstanding, I welcome all ex BNP members who leave this vile party
THE PINTS ARE ON ME!!!!!
Now you're talking, Tony!
(ex BNP)
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